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The real question is what role do BLACK AMERICANS play in immigration and who is allowed to come to this nation??? Black people are full fledged citizens of this nation and have risen to the heights of power and yet so many of our people STILL "act" powerless and helpless as if they have no ability to control their environment. WE as AfroAmericans need to be exerting more power and decide who comes into this country and who doesn't. To hell with what some of these White folks think or want. Join the ICE force. Join the Immigration and Naturalization Department. Join the State Department. As a people and as citizens of this nation we need to participate MUCH more in shaping and making the laws of this land instead of sitting on the couch watching White folks make all of the moves and then REACTING to them. For example...... Last year when those Haitians were at the Texas border trying to get in and the rednecks on horses were stopping them and harassing and whipping them....BLACK POLICE OFFICERS from all over Texas should have shown up in huge numbers and SHELTERED those people and then dared the White cops to do something about it. We should have been bringing them food, blankets, medical supplies.....man my eyes tear up a little just thinking about it....toys for their children to play with, books, crayons, various things letting them know that WE see them as humans in need!!! It was OUR FAULT as a people that this happened to them!!! OUR FAULT!!!! Because we LET those devils do it to them! Black Judges, Black Police Officers, Black Lawyers......sat back and LET it happen.

Interesting thread................ There IS an agenda; infact...there are several agendas. And they aren't so "secret" anymore....they're out in the open. One agenda is by Caucasians to maintain control over the world. They use various methods from education to entertainment to military force to do this. The Illuminati is REAL btw.... They are very misunderstood though.

ProfD I WOULD say I'm tired of agreeing with you.......lol.....but that wouldn't "sound" right regardless of the intent behind it. richardmurray Can any one black show me anything that came from black voting? Show me something? The 13th amendment to end enslavement was the result of war. Show me something that Black votes earned the Black community in the USA. I Can't think of anything. Can you? I don't think we need a "National Black Voters Day" to exercise our right to vote. We need to have an AGENDA and push it until it's accomplished. However, to answer your question..... I think the Black vote helped give us Obama, the first "AfroAmerican" President. Not to mention a host of other Black politicians like Mayors, Congressmen/women, local leaders, ect... This was also mentioned by frankster and I'm seeing you two go back and forth so I'm sure there's been some detail and discussion on this but that would be my first thought on what the Black vote accomplished in the U.S.A. The Black vote also helped put Biden in office. I don't think that was too much of a benefit for our community but it showed how effective the Black vote is. you add jobs they give to black people... As the prior commentor who said similar, your answer is correct. The problem is only one sector of the black community has ever found this satisfactory or to their purpose, and the other sectors have not and do not That sounds like the sector of our community who don't WANT jobs anyway, lol. They could care less who's providing jobs for our people because they don't plan on working on them anyway. They're looking to mooch off of someone or engage in the illegal/underground economy.

frankster Yes I agree with all the above...After all of the above.. Where on Earth did Human Life first appear I don't know. However I don't believe it started in Africa because most of the Black tribes of Africa talk of having come FROM the Egypt/Ethiopia area and moving West and South We KNOW where the White and Arab/Berber tribes come from...but the Black tribes ALSO speak of arriving in their lands after their ancestors traveled their from the East or North. This tells me that people ENTERED Africa through the Kemet/Egypt Africa originally.....not came out of it. We already have Institutions to deal with such people.. Focus on the Willing and Able not the worst of us. You said unity and unification without giving any qualifiers or exceptions.

Troy I don't have to see the movie to know that any trailer or poster praising Black women "warriors" and showing a bunch of tall angry looking Black women with big muscles buldging from their arms and swords in their hands is NOT the type of movie or image I want to see promoted to our youth. No sir....don't have to look at the movie to come to THAT conclusion. And if I DID waste $20 to go see that piece of propaganda...what should I expect to see in it? Anything different than what I suspect? I bet with all of this propaganda and so-called "history"...it won't even show Viola Davis topless or nude even though most of the women in that time DID go topless. It shows what they WANT you to see....masculine muscled up Black women. Still, this film will probably spur many people to learn more about the Dahomey and there is value in that. Don't you think? The BAD will outweigh the GOOD. For every ONE person who watches a falsely narrated film and has the desire to go out and learn the TRUTH about it....about 14 or 15 others who will simply BELIEVE that's the way it actually went down and assume they're watching accurate history. Hollywood and the powers who back Hollywood COUNT on this. My friend, you are often too quick to dispense with the historical facts. They matter. Have you considered why the Dahomey raised an army of female warriors? Yes. For the same reason why most AfroAmerican families today are headed by single mothers. I think one can more reasonably argue that we should be more concerned with images of toxic masculinity What is your idea of "toxic masculinity"???? BTW... I'm grabbing some snacks and propping up my feet to read THIS answer...lol

Troy How do you KNOW this Earth itself isn't trillions of years old? Do White folks have to say it FIRST before you believe it? The SAME White folks who used to teach that his planet was barely 6000 years old and was only made a few days before Adam was????

ProfD regardless of the subject matter, whether it's history from millions of years ago to religion to the latest sports legends and everything in between, human beings like to discuss and debate stuff. True. However the problems often come depending on WHO is doing the discussing and debating...lol. If a group of INTELLIGENT people are discussing or even debating, things will go smoothly and it will not only be hopefully enlightening and beneficial on for all parties but also entertaining! "Before we start this discussion, I'd like us to congratulate Taneesha for finally getting us that grant to build that Black History Museum on Lake Blv. The contractors are all set to break ground on December 2nd of this year. Also, I'd like to discuss which one of us is willing to be head CURATOR for the museum after we actually build it!" But if a group of FOOLS with doo-rags on their heads get together to discuss even the most mild of issues...it could lead to a fight and possibly a shooting. Not to mention a long lasting beef over something having NOTHING to do with the actual subject of discussion. "Ok first of all.....watch how you talk to my -- BOP! "Fuck you AND yo bitch.....tell her to keep her damn mouf shut!!!!" "Oh helllll no.....I GOTS to go to the trunk on THIS nigga!" "You ain't the only one with a trunk nigga....what's up???" POP POP......(cheap ass gun jammed on the fool)....POP POP POP POP We simply CAN'T expect a decent intelligent discussion with many if not most of our people today. No sense in even bothering. Give the fool some entertainment and let him go on about his business while the INTELLIGENT Black folks engage in PRODUCTIVE dialog. Otherwise, an obsession with the past would be a distraction and collecting data becomes an intellectual exercise in futility. Yes. And even worse than a distraction it's often used as a REPLACEMENT for real action. Instead of actually challenging and correcting injustice and racism...you want to do an "indepth study" on them and write book after book of your findings. Your biggest fight against racism is demanding the University you work for open up another "Black Studies" department so that MORE people can do MORE research on racism...lol.

ProfD I believe if 100 AfroAmericans divided equally among men and women were thrown out into the wilderness with the tools required to survive, they would figure out how to feed, clothe and house themselves. ....and I believe you're right. But probably after a few fist fights and maybe even a homicide which would be necessary to RE-establish a more natural heirarchy necessary in any society to get things done. But your statement is the MAIN reason Caucasians don't want AfroAmericans to be independent and constantly monitor and "interfere" in Black organizing. They know with practice and experience we will not only learn how to survive without them but eventually build a BETTER civilization than theirs. The smart and wise Caucasians KNOW this. Troy Besides it would be a life of constant work. Is that the way you wanna live, as if we were back in the 16th century? As unbelievable and as silly as this may sound to you, I'd be willing to live like they did in the 16th century for a few years IF IT MEANS getting Black people on the right track towards a more forward and progressive society. In otherwords..... If we have to take a step back to RE-SET the button and get on the right track from where we veered off as a people....I'm for it. And as society moved on FROM that point...we would move on toward progress rather than where our community is today. Think about it... If we were to live like Caucasians lived in the 16th century we wouldn't have electricity or running water in our homes BUT there would be no drugs, no AIDS, no mass incarceration. If you think about it, our people would have farming skills, carpentry skills, know how to farm and hunt, know how to form and maintain our own society, ect... We'd be in MUCH better shape living like Caucasians did in the 16th century than most of our people are living TODAY.

I'd give the Black folks I live a bottle of Omega 3 Pills (if they don't already have some) , hoping to increase their brain power so that they'd use the OTHER gifts they received more wisely and strategically.

Troy I'm a truth seeker and desire to know ACCURATE history. 1. Hollywood isn't known for it's historical accuracy. 2. Regardless of the historical facts, RIGHT NOW we need BLACK BOYS to grow up and be strong men and fight to defend our community...not more encouragement of the GIRLS to do so. If the girls are the ones designated to grow up and be the "strong warriors".....then what the hell use are the boys??? Also, Black folks have been making movies since the 30s...so if this movie isn't part of a larger agenda to further masculinize the image of Black woman and encourage Black girls to be masculine and rebellious....why didn't we see Black movies about "Black women warriors" back 30 or 40 or 60 years ago?? Why now??? Things to think about while you're gobbling down pop corn hee heeing and kee keeying and ooooing and awwwing in the damn movie theater...lol. "Oooooo look at that! Them sistas SHO can throw down.....hee hee heeee!!!"

Interesting and pretty analytical review of the movie by brother 19Keys: But only the first 30 minutes. The rest of the video is him going off on other tangents, many of which I don't agree with.

franster Where did humanity Originate in your opinion? Originally from The SUPREME BEING However more directly from another star system. I believe They came to this star system TRILLIONS of years ago and "seeded" this planet. I offer no proof of this though. Hence one of the reasons we can achieve unity....and the way the world is today - individuals refuse to work towards Unification before even knowing what it looks like. Well... Would YOU like to unite with criminals, pedophiles, psychopaths, murderers, ect.....along with other human beings?

frankster Your evidence of this engraftment??? 2 pieces of evidence: 1. Black people are much older than White people on this planet So unless The SUPREME BEING didn't create them directly...then that means there's a good possibility that they came from us either directly or indirectly from other races who DID come from us. 2. In nature you can get the RECESSIVE from the DOMINANT....but you can't get the DOMINANT from the RECESSIVE. Genetically speaking, Black people with a higher melanin content, stronger bones, stronger hair....are more dominant that White people so if one of us came from the other, WE would have to be first. How do you know that it was artificial selection and not Natural selection? I don't know it. I simply BELIEVE it Environment diet and culture are the major contributing factors....consanguinity may also play a role. Contributing factors to what? Albanism?? Both Black and white peoples have Pheomelanin.... True. But we have a predominance of Eumelanin while they have a predominance of Pheomelanin. Kind of like BOTH men and women have estrogen and testosterone but men have high levels of testosterone and women have higher levels of estrogen. The differences are not due to race but history culture and environment. You mean the differences ARE due to race ALONG WITH history, culture, and environment. One reason doesn't exclude the others. But race IS definitely a factor. Yes real as the laws of a country or nation. Ok....and laws are REAL. If you don't believe it, ask anyone who's been locked up. Real as in agreed upon - social construct Real as in REAL bro...please don't do this, lol. ...You are still incorrect and neither am I in accord with your thoughts on this matter whatsoever. That's obvious. But whether you agree with them or not doesn't change their status as facts. It is either you cant or wont tried to understand what a social construct is.... My UNDERSTANDING of what a "social construct" is isn't the point. It's whether or not they are REAL and the fact that we're discussing it clearly indicates that they are INDEED part of REALITY. I have always said it is a social construct and they do not exist in and of themselves....without society they no longer have reality, value or meaning. Doesn't matter. They exists NOW....so they ARE a reality. If society disappeared....then we can have the conversation again as to whether "social constructs" are real or not. You Know you are in error but you continue in this fruitless quest to prove the unprovable. ...to save face/ ego. Lol...save face with "who"??? Us two....and the White folks monitoring the site....lol...are probably the only ones keeping up WITH this conversation so I have no reason to show off and show out....YET, lol. If I'm in "error" show me the error. I told you that science recognizes race and racial differences and I used a scientific journal to prove it. You read it but still continue to argue with me telling me that what it clearly says is NOT what it says....lol. "Some of the tallest buildings in the United States are in New York" "That's some bullshit....Boston got some tall buildings too!" "I know that but of the 10 tallest....atleast 5 of them are in New York" "Nigga you crazy! You LIVE in Boston....don't you see all of these sky scrapers?????"

As I've said over and over again...... Not just because of our 500 plus year history of dealing with these lying people (Caucasians) whether it's in the academic field or entertainment, but because of just COMMON SENSE in general....we shouldn't be wrapped up in and taking too seriously ANY information on extraterrestrial life or history THEY put out. We need to do OUR OWN fact finding and archeology instead of sitting around arguing and debating with eachother over information THEY put out. For example..... Instead of going back and forth with eachother over what the original Egyptians looked like, were they good or bad, what they built, when did they build it....and quoting White sources to support our arguments with eachother we should go OURSELVES to Egypt and gather as much 1st hand evidence and knowledge as possible and THEN we can debate over the meaning Black folks just FALLING OUT with eachother "knowing" THEY are right but the OTHER Black person is wrong. As if WE were there to witness it ourselves. It's ALL history and heresay so ALL perspectives should be given a certain amount of respect until we nail down the truth of it OURSELVES. Let's gather the evidence for ET life, archeology, and history in general for OURSELVES instead of simply regurgitating the garbage of Caucasian liars. But PLEASE let us not fight with eachother over information WE haven't even gathered ourselves.

I think it's more than simply being a visionary that drives some of these entertainers to suicide. It's the drugs as well as the over emotionalism that often comes with being a highly right-brained person. Many entertainers....including musicians...are highly emotional and tend to be impulsive. Something the average person may experience or observe and shake off and forget about in a few weeks may "get to" the overtly emotional artist due to their hyper sensitivity.

Actually, I'm a "Classical Liberal" and support far far less laws and rules. I an IDEAL society, you wouldn't have any laws or rules limiting the work day or week......BUT you'd also have huge safety nets in place to keep people from hitting rock bottom. Just like the title of this thread, you'd literally have "Poor Houses" set up by the government to give people beds, food, and medical care even if they CHOOSE not to work to support themselves. They shouldn't be forced to.

I like Viola Davis and think she's a beautiful woman and great actress, however..... I think this is just another attempt to brainwash Black women and influence them to be masculine and act like men. Especially Black girls. Even the NAME of this movie...."Woman King". Why not simply "Queen"???? That's like naming a movie "Male Wife"....WTF??? Just another attempt to masculinize Black woman; it's as plain as day. Won't let the sista be a queen. Wanna make her a man....a king in drag. White racists know what they're doing when they promote certain movies and push certain themes. A lot of Black people have no idea.....because THEY don't think like that. A lot of our people foolishly think that because THEY don't sit around plotting and planning how to ruin the lives of White people.....well "by golly THEY can't be doing it either!" How silly. White racists....many of whom are sociologists and psychologists...spend DECADES studying Black people, our cultures, our habits, how Black men and women get along with eachother. They plot and plan ways to destabilize Black man/female relationships to influence the mating process and reduce the population. This movie is just another such move.

frankster Yes....Albinos are a result of a genetic Mutations.. In Your theory what is the cause of the white race since it's not a mutation? They were "grafted" or "selectively bred" by constantly taking people who were originally dark skinned and constantly mating the lightest and lightest ones over several generations until a new person of White skin and blonde hair was produced. You do know we have white albinos....who are of white people and suffer the same mutations as blacks. Yes, I know. Which is one of the reasons I know that White folks AREN'T Albinos...lol. Both white and black people have melanin, the gene that controls for skin color.... Yes but our melanin is DIFFERENT than theirs. You're absolutely right! Black people have EUMELANIN which is Black/Brown...while Caucasians tend to have PHEOMELANIN which is Red/Yellow. Expose those vitamin D deficient Blacks to enough Sunshine and the Deficiency disappears.....Milk is dietary and we spoke of the role of diet in culture. Yes, I agree. But still...I've continued to prove my point that there ARE racial differences in the body that affects the health of different races. Socially Agreed upon, made up as a Rule....Hence it is a Social Construct. Do you know what a Social Construct is? I know it exists. That's all I need to know to accept that it's real. Money is real and valuable....we give it reality and value...The Value and Reality is purely Social Thanks for acknowledging that I was correct. It has value and meaning only in the context of a society Again, thanks for acknowledging that it has value. The Article did not prove any such thing..... Your ability to read and understand is now being drawn into question. You can "question" what you like. I can't control your ability to comprehend what you read or hear. I just present the information to you and let you do with it what you will. I've already justified myself and my assertion to any REASONABLE man.

frankster That is the idea behind Racism Racialism is the Idea that there are more than one human race. Racism is the acceptance and acknowledgement of Racial differences and then forcing peoples to act along those lines of divisions by institutionalization. It is relatively easy to divide people....whats a little more challenging is to unite people I can't say that I disagree with any of this! First Unity among African peoples where ever they are on the Globe....... and then Global Unity among Humanity. All Humans are Africans 1. I'm pretty certain that all humans are NOT Africans and I don't ascribe to the theory that humanity "evolved" out of Africa. 2. At this point I don't even want to unite with all Black people....lol...let along all the people in other races. There are SOME people in all races I would like to unite with, but ALL people???? No way.

Looks to me like YOUR MIND needs to be "mixed with something else". Because straight with no chaser's got your thinking all tangled up....lol.

LOL!!!! MAN....GET THE.... Nice I like your hustle-spirit man......lol You should wear a body cam. I'd like to see for atleast a good week how you get around and interact with people.

ProfD And corporations are saving a killing on water, heat, and electric bills....let alone office and parking space, insurance, ect....

frankster She is an Albino...I do not know her. I figured that. Albinos don't count as "races" because they are mutations. They aren't constant....an Albino doesn't necessarily produce another Albino. White people produce other White people. I never said anything about "citizen".... it seems we agree That's good No one is overlooking those differences but they do not equal a breed or a distinguishable race within the human family. If those genes are strong enough to produce different skin colors, eye colors, and hair textures...I'd say they DO produce physical differences that are distiguishable enough to qualify as racial differences with humanity. Please name the others? Black people in northern climates tend to lack vitamin D in comparison with ligher races. Black people also tend to be more lactose intolerant as adults while White people tend not to be. Those are just two examples but there are a host of medical differences between the races. Scientists KNOW this...even if the media and educational system wants to pump this "we're all the same" nonsense to put Negroes to sleep and make US think that everybody is the same. White folks KNOW they aren't like you....whether you want to believe "we're all the same" or not. Real as in rules made up Again....you can STOP RIGHT THERE, lol. Real as in "made up" means it was constructed....so it exists. It's real. It exists. It BE's. In other words, racial differences are real and exist whether you AGREE with them or not. No...Not the same Social Construct is an idea that people accept ....like Gender on how certain individuals that fit a specific criteria should be treated. I agree. However just because they are CONCEPTS...doesn't mean they aren't REAL. Sadness is a concept...and real. Courtesy is a concept...and real. Money is Fiat....Social Construct by decree True....but it exists and is valuable. The value is constructed, but it's real none the less. A powerful man is a powerful man whether his power is natural, comes from steroids, or comes from consuming psycho-drugs affecting his nervous system. Money is valuable REGARDLESS as to what is giving that money value.. As long as your money has purchasing power, it's valuable. We give it Value and Meaning. Again, regardless as to whether WE give it value or nature gave it value....it HAS value. No you have not....you cannot even delude yourself - the facts are there and you know. I get inferior treatment....because I am black You get superior treatment....because you are white I remain sick and you get better that means we are of different races.....it only proves Racism The science told you the cause of the differences was because of access to new and improved treatment was denied to black women. How can you deny something you're actually quoting and acknowledging inside your quotes and assertion? Your argument was that different races DON'T exist. I showed you how science says they do. I've proven my point. No need to "explain" the article to me because the only point I was trying to make was that scientists recognize multiple races. I see you grow tired of this discourse, I enjoyed it immensely and look forward to us sharing again in the future....it was fun my brother, You made me laugh many at times...maybe next time we should be more respectful of the thread starter and stay on topic and have our discourse by opening a new thread. One Love... Actually I haven't grown tired of it. Rather, I have and am enjoying it. It's actually the allegory thread that I've grown a little tired of because the points I'm making are becoming redundant as you refuse to acknowledge them and keep going in circles. But this one....we make more progress. However if you want to bow out, then do what you must do my brutha....peace.

frankster The Two primary reason for Racism is First to create Division among peoples... and ....Secondly to maintain Power in the Hands of Rich Europeans. I know you don't believe in the concept that there is more than one race, however IF it were true.....wouldn't humanity ALREADY be divided? There would be no need to divide humanity because they were already divided among racial lines. Perhaps the only thing needed was for people to ACKNOWLEDGE those divisions and act on them and that's where the problems would come. Racism is a Socio-economic Institution that exploit peoples based on skin color and or ethnic origin. Racialism(term now defunct) is the belief in Races of Men. I understand the definitions you laid out, however certainly you're not saying RACIALISM is the same as RACISM? All the Pains of Racism are Derive from the Demonization of Black peoples and by way of extension(continental) Africans. The First Pain (to me) is that Racism has divorced us(Black Men) from Our Africanity....The Love of our Africanness. The Second Pain is that Racism has instilled in us Africans to want to seek European Acceptance (Authority Permission and Beauty)....The Love of Europenness. I like your observation and contribution, thank you! The First step Toward Unity....is to bring about love of our Africanness... Unity with or among whom? Some Continental Africans hate Black westernize Africans....And Some Black westernize Africans hate Continental Africans. Africans hate other Africans and Blacks hate other Blacks... What is the difference between "Blacks" and "Africans"??? ADOS and its offshoots aims to further divide us Blacks and Africans peoples. We Need a unifying Force... I absolutely agree with this! ProfD It takes a tragedy or a major situation for people to unite. Apparently, racism alone isn't bad enough. You're right. It usually takes a tragedy or crisis to unite people and get them to working together in THIS society. A modern example was how Franklin Roosevelt united the nation to fight the Great Depression by coming up with the Public Works Projects that put people back to work, Social Security program to help older Americans, and other large scale projects that forced Americans to work together and see success in order to lift themselves out of poverty. But in most other societies...a DICTATOR usually get's the job done and keep people humming right along with the program. However I must keep it real..... There are certain people I'd rather NOT unite with. 1. Racist Caucasians 2. Ignorant wicked Black people. Those two groups, I have no desire what so ever to unite with and would prefer they stay out of my space and land.