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I've heard conspiracies that the Royal Family of England really IS a royal family and that they are actually in charge. Not just of England but Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and some even claim the United States. They say it's not just "ceremonial" but actual and that this so-called "Democracy" business is just a front or cover-up for the Monarchy. Whether that's true or not....clearly someone OTHER THAN the federally elected officials are in charge and calling the shots.

Facts BIG ASS SMILES! People are lining up to spend their money on shit. What I'm also noticing is that people seem to be more willing to work longer hours and harder jobs than they were 20 years ago. 20 years ago most people worked from 40-45 hours a week. There were people who did 50 and 60 but they were usually salaried professionals who's jobs didn't demand a lot of physical labor or service. I'm seeing more and more people in SERVICE INDUSTRY jobs and MANUAL LABOR jobs putting in 60 and 70 hours a week working 2 and even 3 jobs and seemingly glad to do it or not caring or complaining about it. I don't know how their bodies are physically taking it. But I've noticed over the past 5 years a DRAMATIC increase in the consumption of energy drink. Over half of the people I work with guzzle down those damn MONSTER DRINK like water and I guess it gives them the energy to put in all of those hours. That and Red Bull. But Red Bull (which I used to call crack in a can...lol) is considered "old school" now. Like coffee...compared to Monster They're pumping this shit out into the public to get the people to work harder and harder and tossing a few peanuts at them to keep them happy.....and they're going for it.

I saw that "Ancient Aliens" garbage a few times on the History Channel. Not only is it boring but it's down right insulting to the Black and Brown people of the past who built pyramids, great cities, and great monuments with their creativity and ingenuity only for these racist bastids to give the credit to some "Martians" or some other extra-terrestrials from out in space somewhere. Leave it up to White men to talk a small portion of the facts of history and add their lies to the mix and if I remember correctly (because I haven't bothered to watch the shit in years) they have some "British sounding" dude narrating the show showing art work, diagrams, hieroglyphs, ect....much of which are totally unrelated to the subject they're discussing -all in an attempt to support their false "ET" narratives. I believe there are other worlds, other planets, other galaxies, and other REALMS.....and I don't need some lying White man to tell me this. Our Ancestors have been telling us this since humanity began.

frankster Her Parents are Black African.....Belonging to One or more of the Ethnic groups Native to Africa. I'm curious..... Do you know her personally? How do you KNOW her parents are Black? And is she an albina? Being born on the Continent does not necessarily make you African....One must also belong to one of the ethnicities native or indigenous to Africa. Actually being born a CITIZEN in one of the nations of Africa does make you African by definition. It's a definition I don't agree with, but it's definition none the less. The Similarities and Dissimilarities are Equally relevant and if we more alike than dissimilar....No two human beings are the same not even identical twins. Agreed. So what's the argument? Are you now saying that men and women belong to different races as a result of these sexual differences? Not now...not ever. My point is small percentages of genes and dna can still produce major and obvious difference...so they shouldn't be overlooked. Yes we do need specialist Doctors only because we are Culturally different and receive disparate treatment as a result of racism. That's only ONE reason why. There are others. Is The brown color natural or a result of caucasian or arabic admixture? When I say "ancient"...I'm talking BEFORE the existence of Caucasians. So no. Some Black folks with no Caucasian or any other racial mixture are naturally dark brown and even medium brown. Social Construct are real because HALT! Might as well stop right there...lol Now that you acknowledge that social constructs are REAL...you'd have to acknowledge that race and different races are real, regardless as to the reasons they were "constructed". Caucasians exist....white people is a Social Construct of the late 16 century. White people is just another TERM for Caucasian. It's an INACCURATE term, which is why I don't like using it...but a term that means the same thing none the less. A Social Construct has no Objective Reality That's like saying music or a great novel has no "objective reality". If it exists...it's real. Money is Real.....We Construct money and give it Meaning - Money it does not Exist . That's ridiculous. If it didn't exist....you wouldn't even THINK about it, let alone talk about it. It's real and it exists. What we often refer to as Money is actually.....Paper and ink or some Mineral with engravings - Paper and mineral Exist True. But money has value. It's VERY real and it definitely exists. Yes the Constitution did not prevent it yet there was none..... why? Because of racism. Same difference... It's not the same. There's a difference between a person who ONLY HAS lived in an apartment in their life and ONLY CAN live in an apartment instead of a house. ONLY HAVE has to do with experience ONLY HAS has to do with ability Then why say he has "little Power" if the President more power than the average person? Because LITTLE is more than NONE.....lol. POTUS is often referred to as the Most Powerful Man in the Free world.. Santa Claus is often referred to as the jolly fat man who slides down chimneys bringing gifts...lol. Is either true? I am not here to convince you....I am here to share and exchange info in an atmosphere of fun - and perchance learn something. That sounds a little like Del..lol. Interesting concept. I actually DO try to convince some people. If I see people in error and with harmful beliefs, I try to help them by offering the truth. I read it once and only what you posted. If you read carefully below an excerpt of your proof you will realize they are not stating race as the cause of the disparities .....but Racism - without having to use the word Racism In a nutshell without all the scientific jargon. Black women Lack of insurance led to a denial of access to new medical intervention which result in inadequate therapy causing more death among black women. The point is I said that science ACKNOWLEDGES the difference between the races and I have proven that.

Our people need to take a balanced approach. You can't be indifferent to racism nor paralyzed to the point of stagnation by it either. However what I see as a major problem isn't so much racism and White folks stopping us from achieving success, I see more of a lack of a DESIRE among many of our people to do or accomplish anything beyond simple personal pleasures like getting a blow job or getting high. In other words.....White folks ain't gotta try TOO hard to hold them back, because they aren't trying to do a damn thing anyway Now is that shiftlessness (took me 30 years to realize what that word meant and how it became a Black stereotype) something naturally in some of our people, or is it a result of racism and constantly being victimized to the point you give up hope and stop trying? Not sure, but I'm more inclined to believe it's the former; because I see a lot of these young fools out here who aren't OLD enough to experience too much disappointment in lives yet they aren't trying to do much besides get their jimmy sucked, smoke a blunt, and play basketball all day. And it was the same with a large percentage of the young men when I was a kid. This is why I have been saying over and over again and said to richard murray in the other thread, perhaps it's best that as a people we DO break up into several groups and go in our own direction for the sake of progress. It's better for us to break up and only 10% of us advance while the other 90% stay behind; than for us to remain united and 100% stay behind.

Interesting message I saw recently from Dr. Ray Hagins a former pastor on why the Bible can not be the word of God The content where he offers his evidence really begins at the 43 minute mark for those who have time and want to hear the message: Much of what he said I already know, but maybe some of you may be more interested in hearing it and deciding for yourself.

It can make you angry if you don't realize how much power you REALLY possess....especially synergistically in combination with other Black folks! After discovering about 12 years ago that Black people....in groups...have the power to LITERALLY do anything we want to do; now much of the stress I have is over arguing and disagreeing with other BLACK PEOPLE.....not Whites. Caucasians are no longer a factor in my opinion except on certain issues. When it comes to money, laws, health, and safety....Black people can help ourselves achieve ANY goal as long as we're united and work together toward them. Eliminating drugs. Curing cancer. Employing all people. Literally....and I mean LITERALLY (not just figuratively or hyperbolic).....any problem you name can and have been solved by us in the past and present. And when I talk about Black Unity, I'm not talking about uniting ALL Black people, but a "critical mass" in a given environment. Like say atleast 10% or 25% of all the Black folks at your job or in your neighborhood deciding to get together and do something. White folks CAN DO NOTHING to stop it and most of them wouldn't even bother to, they've learned better by now. I KNOW this for a fact because I've experimented with it so many times. Mind you, I'm not necessarily talking about one or two niggas hopping up cussing and acting a fool.....the police can be called to drag them away. I'm talking about when a CRITICAL MASS of Black folks in ANY environment get fed up with the bullshit and start to fight back.....most of the time White folks just pack up and move the fuck on. And if they don't and try to squash it....they get defeated. Again...seen it time and time again now as well as in history. I really wouldn't be surprised if racism and White folks were just a big TEST OF FAITH for our courage and unity. Like say we were put on this planet under their rule simply to see how brave we are and how faithful we would be in holding to our respect and values. You stand strong....you pass the test and get to move up to the next level. However like I said, the issue usually isn't White resistance..it's usually getting Black folks on the same page to do something POSITIVE. No problem getting enough niggas together to smoke dope, get drunk, join a street gang, or go to jail. But when it comes to uniting enough of our people to fight for higher wages, free healthcare, or demanding more business grants from the city, state, or feds.....then you often start meeting with resistance. Niggas want to argue with you over why so many non FBAs and Caribbeans are in the group, or why so many Black women are in charge as opposed to the Black man ruling, or does the meeting and organizing line up with the "scriptures" or a host of other issues that get in the way of unity and being on the same page. "Yeah yeah yeah we need to stop police brutality but is you DOWN with the Lion of Judah??? Is yo' name written in this book of scripture???? That's what we wanna know! Cuz if you not.....then....well......" Brain just filled to the BRIM with a whole bunch of bullshit that will take you nowhere NEAR progress. Will argue with you day and night over some garbage that don't mean a damn thing and won't solve one single problem. At this point, White people aren't the problem. Yes they're A problem....but not THEE problem. THEE problem is often not finding enough Black folks to unite with to accomplish a particular goal.

Doesn't bother me one bit. Just like that other White guy that Troy banned....keep forgetting his name, lol....came up here spouting all kinds of racist shit and making thread after thread talking about baby mammas....didn't bother me one bit. The only time I even start to get concerned if if I I think they're having some sort of effect on OTHER Black folks who may start believing them....then I'll go to war against them and crush their rhetoric. Other than that, I've lost the desire to contend with them on history and science just for the heck of it. Maybe if some MONEY was involved...lol. Let's debate science, history, and who got to the Americas first....Africans or Europeans....and the winner gets $10,000! THEN you'll see me show up and show out.

frankster No matter how you convolute the narrative....it is either you see value in it or you don't. It's not me convoluting this issue but your understanding of my statement...or LACK of it....that is convoluting things for you. I've repeated myself several times already and yet you still don't understand, for me...it's time to move on and no longer waste time on this particular point. Truth has nothing to do with Preference....Truth remains unaffected by you preference or acceptance Same thing with this issue. We don't disagree, but you're choosing to focus on ONE aspect of my statement...IGNORE the other aspect of it...and then proceed to build a straw man to argue against based on the part you're focusing on. Time for me to move on. If you smoke cigarette...they are harmful - Improper use. If you sell or trade cigarette...profitable - better use You want to go in circles on this one as well I see. Well..... I'll roll with you a little bit because we haven't went over it a million times already like the previous two.... You asked me to name you something that is valuable yet harmful and I told you: CIGARETTES They have value, and they also are harmful. Period. Nothing to add behind it or "explain away". You asked, and I provided. Want another one? Heroin It's valuable yet harmful Whether these substances are "properly used" or not is irrelevant to the question you asked me. 100% of my heart is me No. 100% of your heart is PART of you...but it doesn't equal you. If your heart were removed...YOU would still exist separate from your heart. It can't be you. When the Bible says the word was WITH "God" and that the word WAS "God"...that is a direct contradiction.

frankster They are both African( of what would be call the black race)...obviously one is black skinned and the other is white skinned Well there are atleast 2 definitions of the word "African"..... One (that you probably won't accept) is the RACIAL definition which identifies those with dark skin and kinky hair who come from or who's ancestors come from sub-Saharan Africa Commonly refered to as "Black" or "Negro". The second definition is ANYONE of ANY RACE who was born on the continent whether they be Black, White, Arab, Berber, ect... When you say the blonde woman in that picture is an "African" do you mean she's a "White" woman born in some African country or do you mean she's an albina from two Black parents? Yes indeed Ethnicity is about Culture....Culture is History and Traditions - Heritage. Diet does affect Skin color..... Myth or Fact: Eating too many carrots can turn your skin orange. The surprising truth is that, yes, eating too many carrots can change the color of your skin. “Carrots can, in fact, cause an orangish yellow skin pigmentation,” says Dr. Lady Dy, a dermatologist with Advocate Lutheran General Hospital in Park Ridge, Ill. “It’s called carotenemia and is often most noticeable on thick skin like palms of your hands or the soles of your feet.” The orangish yellow discoloration is a result of excess beta-carotene in the blood from consuming foods like carrots, says Dr. Dy. Other foods that can cause the orangish yellow pigmentation include squash, sweet potatoes, cantaloupe and even dried apricots. All these foods are also high in beta-carotene. The good news – it’s not toxic and doesn’t cause any other health issues aside from the slight discoloration. “The skin discoloration is temporary and completely reverses once you change your dietary habits,” says Dr. Dy. https://www.ahchealthenews.com/2021/10/29/can-eating-certain-foods-change-color-skin/ Ok....???? I don't dispute what you're saying in THIS context. But it's talking about TEMPORARY changes in a human's skin color do to medical issues, not GENETIC changes that people are BORN with. Hell, TATOOS affect your skin color too...but they don't change your race, lol A member of the Caucasian race and African race can eat the exact same foods for a lifetime and their skin color and hair texture will not change or become similar, would you not agree? On a genetic level all humans share 99% of the same genes...The point is we are more alike than we differ 1% difference is not enough to explain the White/caucasian race. What you're talking about is BESIDE the point. You're FOCUSING on the similarities and trying to make the differences "irrelevant". But the differences exist none the less no matter how small of a percentage they are. There is less than 10% difference between men and women...but the difference between a male body and female body are HUGE ENOUGH. Infact, they are so huge that women need their own doctors and medicine for their own needs separate from men! I'd argue that AfroAmericans need OUR own specialist doctors and hospitals because OUR bodies and dietary needs tend to be different than Whites and other races. I concur....that he was from Khem And What color was the ancient Egyptians(Khemet)? They were a mixture of black and dark brown in skin tone. If "Not every Caucasian is White in color." Therefore White people do not exist - except as a social construct .....but caucasians do as an Ethnicity. First of all, you're contradicting yourself to say they don't exist EXCEPT as a "such and such". Either they exist or they don't. White people/Caucasians clearly exist and have been ruling much of the world for over 500 years....whether you want to call them a "social construct" or not. Infact, social constructs EXIST. .....just like a building is a constructed. That which is CONSTRUCTED........EXISTS, therefor it is real. Second, yes...Caucasian is also an ethnicity too because in Russia members of various "minority" tribes from the Caucasus mountains like Chechnya are also called "Caucasians"...lol. What evidence do you have that a Black man could be president prior to Obama? Some scholars say we HAD Black Presidents in the United States already, but I'm not gonna argue it one way or the other. A more direct answer to your question is that the Constitution DID NOT PREVENT IT. As long as you're a 35 years or older born citizen with no felonies, you "could" run for and become President. Race or sex isn't a factor. ...So far the Paradigm or Pattern is only Men can be President No, the paradigm is that men ONLY HAVE been President, not ONLY CAN be President. We can have a female President too. And probably will. I would argue that as President he has much more power than the average US citizen/national....not an absolute ruler Then you'd be arguing by yourself then....lol. I don't know of anyone who disagrees with this. I am beginning to realize that ....but it's fun so I will indulge. ....as if either one of you have presented ABSOLUTE PROOF of your "only one race exists" position. Just because you two DENY the obvious so strongly, doesn't make it a fact. Then go ahead...I will be learning something new You won't learn it if you don't accept it. I can present all of the evidence and proof in the world, but if your mind is set on "there is only one race" and refuse to believe multiple races exist...you'll either try to discredit that proof or just find something else to counter it. I've presented Troy with both evidence and proof and like a squirrel he's ducked and dodged and bounced around my presentations and outright ignored them to stick to his position. So I've given up on trying to convince him, lol But for you......... Here are excerpts from an article from the New England Journal of Medicine which we can all agree is a SCIENTIFIC BASED publication. It's a well known journal quoted and respected by most doctors and scientists.: Here's a scientific journal that CLEARLY acknowledges that not only do different races exist, but identifies those races as well. And I can provide many many more if this one is not enough....but it should be because it's clear PROOF. Usually you don't need "proofs" (plural) to support and argument....you only need proof (singular). The real question is will you accept this, and move on.....or do like Troy and either ignore it or read the entire article 50 times and look for holes to poke in it or just find another article that declares race a "social construct".

After careful observation over the years, I'm convinced that there are two major causes of pain in the AfroAmerican community due to racism: 1. The first is the pain caused by DIRECT injury from racism. -A violent act by the racists. -Financial harm caused by racism in employmente and business -Legal harm caused by incarceration or losing law suits for racist reasons whether it's from the judge, jury, or prosecutors 2. The second pain which is less talked and actually less known is the pain caused by REJECTION of White people -Having one's ideas not taken seriously by Whites at work, at school, or in society -Not having one's authority respected by Whites whether at work, at school, as a police officer, judge, ect...and constantly being "over ruled" by Whites in the same or higher position -Jokes not being seen as funny by White colleagues -Not being seen as attractive (or atleast they won't ADMIT they find you attractive) by Whites WE may find attractive The 2nd cause is more insidious because as I said before, it's less known and understood by most Black people even though most of us have experienced it so much in our lives living in this society. If we examine the REASON for the 2nd cause, we'll find out that the pain actually comes from so many of us SEEKING validation from White people to begin with. It's the view or belief...either consciously or subconsciously...that they actually are superior and are the judge and arbiter of what is "acceptable" or "unacceptable" in this society that drives this desire to please them and be accepted by them and have our ideas accepted by them.....which in turn leads to so much anger, depression, and frustration if they aren't. I personally make it a POINT to show White people whether at work or in society in general how much I DON'T care about their approval, what they think of me, or my ideas and that I have my OWN agenda and plans for whatever occasion....lol.

That's why I said the theory of human evolution is a RACIST theory that shouldn't be accepted by ANY Black person with good sense. Caucasians came up with that theory after society became less religious and that "curse of Ham" nonsense failed. So they had to come up with another LIE to continue to categorize Black people as inferior so Darwin and the other racists developed the human evolution theory that calls OUR people the "missing link" between the apes and White folks....lol. Also.... If we know that Caucasians have a history of lying and not accepting the truth and proof of our greatness and discoveries, why get so offended and outraged when one or most of them continue to do it today? I've come to accept this about them, so it doesn't bother me one bit. I really don't waste time arguing with them.....I spend more time arguing with other Black people whom are more likely to accept the TRUTH about our history, lol. White folks ALREADY know it....they just don't want to accept it.

I think most of this has happened within the past ten years or so, especially after the so-called "Great Recession" when so many people....especially Black people....had their homes taken away from them. That, along with the growing supply of heroin flooding the streets since the invasion of Afghanistan 20 years ago. Homelessness has exploded in every big city in this nation.

Not sure, but I've been hearing a lot of Black people talk about and Black women calling themselves Mermaids lately.....especially younger people. I wonder if it's just a new fad or some sort of sexual reference that I haven't caught on to yet.

Troy Science ACKNOWLEDGES the existence of multiple races. And I can prove it beyond any REASONABLE doubt.

frankster You said the following in bold type....please note the use of the personal pronoun "I" From this"I see more value in it" to this I'm saying I PERSONALLY don't find it valuable to me"....Your sophistry will only deceive yourself. Let me SEE if I can break this down to you as simply as I can... I'm not a smoker I don't smoke cigarettes. I don't find cigarettes valuable TO ME. But because there are MILLIONS if not BILLIONS of people who do smoke cigarettes...I can see the value IN THEM. VALUABLE TO ME focuses on myself and how the object relates to me Where as VALUE IN focuses on the object and how other OTHER than myself may see value in it. Do you NOW understand how those two statements can overlap yet be different from eachother???? Truth remains true whether you accept it or not....Universal and impersonal Correct. But you can still choose to accept it or reject it based on which one you PREFER to do. You can either be FORCED to accept the truth or PREFER to accept it. Usually only If used improperly. Name One? I'll go back to my cigarette analogy. They are harmful, yet valuable and people desperately want them. My heart is with me always and my heart is me.....easy Not THAT easy....lol....because your heart ISN'T you. It's merely a PART OF you. If your heart WAS you...then your brain and liver could be removed and it wouldn't affect you in anyway because they aren't you, only your heart. No, your heart is PART of you. That's a mathematical fact.

And sadly too many Black people would rather TRY to pretend that racism is no obstacle or doesn't even exist rather than accept that it does and deal with it. While conventional wisdom will say this comes from centuries of being trained and brainwashed into not seeing the racism that exists before us, I have a more simple yet more diabolical explanation....... Many AfroAmericans simply DO NOT CARE about racism and how evil and widespread it is, as long as THEY don't feel THEY are personally being affected. Like one of the other posters who came on here trying to rally support from this site for their own personal cause. I'd be willing to bet 10 bits against a bucket of shit that the term "Institutional Racism" hasn't been uttered from their lips in 20 years and they could have given two fucks about what other Black people were going through from George Floyed to the janitor in the building they were working in.....as far as they are concerned it was "someone else's problem". Or not even a problem at all. Until THEY met some resistance or caught a mean look from a White person....then all of a sudden EVERYBODY is racist and we need to bring the whole system down, lol. Like I said about the poor......... In the United States, most poor people are in the condition they are because of THEMSELVES. Not because they didn't work hard enough, invest smart enough, or save enough money.....but because they didn't unite with other poor people and DEMAND more money and benefits from the richest nation in the world. Kanye said 400 years of slavery was a choice. Man...... There was another person who said people get the leaders they deserve. While neither statement is 100% true, there's a lot of WISDOM in these words if we'd just understand.

Did I say you threw an emotional tantrum? As far as a better tactic...... Unless it's outright offensive and racist (not covertly or subliminally because that's gonna be MOST White folks...lol) I'd say let Michel or any other White person say what they like and either counter it with more facts or just ignore it. Like I said, this is a Black site and we CLEARLY are in power here. Unless the "powers that be" on the internet decide to shut this site down....no White person can or will control the conversation up in here. Also like I said earlier, we need to take a page out of their play book and not even MENTION race at all. Let them tell it, if they criticize you it'll be about everything BUT your race.....lol. We know that most White scholars reject Ivan Van Sertima's work for racist reasons regardless of the mountains of evidence he's presented both in his academic works as well as his speeches and presentations. But they don't SAY it. They just DO it. Just like the Critical Race Theory fiasco and how Black folks are running around crying and pointing the fingers as White teachers and professors accusing them of being racist and not wanting the truth told about America. Hell nigga JUST TEACH IT. No need to ask White folks for permission or accuse them of being racist and hateful. You already know that....so take action and teach the TRUTH about history.

Troy There are now 5 or 6 apartment buildings taller than the empire state building in NYC -- when I was a kid that was the tallest building on the planet. I thought after 9/11 (which was over 20 years ago...hard to believe) they CLAIMED they weren't gonna build any more sky scrapers....lol. But I'm curious.......... You said the Empire building was the tallest building on the planet when you were a kid. Wasn't the Twin Towers around then? And I'm not sure but I thought the Sears Tower in Chicago was around then too. All three of those buildings were around in the early 70s if not late 60s.

Coggins That doesn’t seem like confusion to me. It makes good sense to copy the right cat and not want crime rampant in ones community. Well for one thing, TRUMP HIMSELF is one of the reasons crime is so high in the United States right now and has been since the Summer of 2020. He and his Justice Department decided to let many of the most violent offenders out of prisons and jails during the Pandemic instead of most of the non-violent offenders which would have made more sense. And when he let them out, they went STRAIGHT back to their communities to raise more hell and havoc. Now you have little children being shot and killed left and right in America on a daily basis where as before Trump it was happening less than once a week. Typical of Republicans. Every time a Republican gets in office crime shoots up (no pun intended) sky high! THEY RAISE THE CRIME RATE to justify locking more people up and turning the inner cities into police states.

FACTS Whether the groupings were based on religion, political affiliation, or militant Black empowerment....one of the main problems was their desire to fight with and harm other AfroAmericans who didn't see eye-to-eye with them. It seems that a lot of our people enjoy fighting with eachother more than they enjoy fighting racism...and this was the case even the 50s and 60s. Infact a lot of street gangs that exist today who see eachother as mortal enemies originally started off a clubs formed by young men to protect themselves and their neighborhoods from racist violence from Whites. But as often is the case, once they ran the White folks away....they turned on eachother.

Troy Hey Michel...ignore the next couple of sentence will ya....lol. Validation??? NIGGA PLEASE....I haven't even validated the BLACK FOLKS who've been up on this site for years, let alone other folks who just popped up in the past few months...lol. I can only validate MYSELF because I know me, can't speak for some of these other jokers running around here....lol. My words in defense of Michel is hardly "validation"....just like your observation of them is hardly an attack based on being "mad". It's simply putting things in perspective. But in reality, it's actually not about Michel or any other White person or White people in general so much as it's about US and how we conduct ourselves even when WE are clearly in power. We....collectively....need to learn HOW to properly combat what we perceive to be racism in a more effective manner and like I said, throwing emotional tantrums isn't the way to go.

Michel Montvert I think you're giving the rightwing working-class whites FAR too much credit as thinkers. They are not willingly sacrificing themselves to anything. They think that their problems are all caused by exterior forces (never the actual oppressor who is screwing them). They are NOT aware that their situation is enabled by anti-black racism. That's the issue. As I've gotten older, have lived around the nation, and gotten to engage with a lot of poor and working class Whites as well as having done research on racial relations in the past in the United States..I DON'T BELIEVE they actually believe this. I think it a CONVENIENT EXCUSE they use to cover up their NATURAL anti-Black feelings. They may be poor and uneducated but most of them aren't stupid. They know better. They KNOW that the jobs in their towns were removed by wealthy White business owners who left them high and dry; and they know Black people did take those jobs. Yet they still fly Confederate flags and listen to country music up in Minnesota....lol. The racism is one of the primary means by which they are conned into supporting their oppressor. Lol...they aren't being "conned". Your apologizing for them won't save them. These people know EXACTLY what they're doing and what they feel and why they feel the way they feel. The only con is THEM trying to hide it as best they can to keep a job or position. "Father....DON'T forgive these devils. For they know EXACTLY what they're doing!" It is not conscious!!! They are full of FEAR! Fear of what? Certainly not the Blacks or Browns they hate because most of them don't have the power to imprison them or keep them unemployed...so what "fear" are they using as an excuse for their hatred??? Most of them live in communities where they never even MET a Black person so they certain haven't been victimized. The only "fear" they have is the same "fear for their life" routine a racist cop uses to kill an unarmed Black citizen. No....the jig is up. We can no longer accept them "being afraid" as a justification for their HATRED. The folks in WV who correctly identify the COAL company as the problem... well those are the Democrats. Union people. True. But even in the Unions...and I've been in them...you have a core element of racist poor and working class White men who hate Liberals and Progressives and love Trump and Reagan. I've met them. Their hatred override their own self-preservation. Like worker bees or ants...they will sacrifice their own lives for the "hive" which is the system.

I didn't say it in this thread...YET....but since you brought it up, that's EXACTLY what I've been saying for the past few years. That AfroAmericans need to separate themselves into smaller more exclusive groups with similar values and seek progress and success through THOSE groups instead of one big community. Too many of us are on different pages to try to unite as one people. And to be honest with you, I don't know if I want to unite with a large percentage of AfroAmericans at this point because too many have become immoral and criminal minded to build any type of meaningful relationship toward success with. Some of these clowns would only hold back progress. Let 'em go and let's move on.

Also according to code you're not supposed to directly call a White person a racist UNLESS they identify themselves as one.....lol. We can and should suspect every White person we meet of being a racist and don't let your guard down UNLESS they prove beyond a shadow of doubt TO YOU that they aren't. But that doesn't mean you go around with your eyes closed shouting and stammering out: "You're a racist....you....you....RACIST!" Every time a White person makes you mad, lol. That's not civil and it makes you look childish. It's also very poor strategy when actually dealing with racism. If the White person IS a racist....will telling them this and accusing them of it get you what you want? I'm certainly not accusing anyone on this site of this but I DO see it a lot in U.S. society. While REAL racism is running rampant and they're poisoning water systems and indoctrinating children with all types of foolishness....this nigga is calling some White man a racist because he won't let him borrow his cigarette lighter to smoke a Newport. Or because some White woman at Walmart won't let her return her clothes and get a refund without a store receipt.....lol....NOW the cashier is a "racist". Stupid shit. If you KNOW that a White person is a racist....learn how to COUNTER it with affirmative action. Throwing temper tantrums isn't a viable solution in my opinion. As far as Michel goes...... Or any other White person for that matter whether we agree or disagree with them..... This is a Black site and we are CLEARLY in power. Troy has this thing on lock. There are atleast a dozen intelligent Black folks up in here getting busy. We need to ACT like the master of our own home and show some restraint and decorum. Really, we should take a lesson from THEIR play book and don't even bring up their race unless THEY want to talk about it.