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Because my Mama's baby can READ....lol.

I'll keep it even more simple. A slave is someone who has no choice and must serve (or as the U.S. constitution put it "involuntary servitude") their master until or unless they are set free.

If you weren't around to witness it for yourself...you DON'T actually "know" that it's true. You can infer and come to different conclusions based on the evidence you see and what other people who MAY have witnessed it, tell you. But when you're talking about historical events and monuments past....say 100 years....how do you KNOW for 100% ABSOLUTE FACT that it happened the way you read about or on the date given? The U.S. Civil War happened less than 200 years ago and historians are STILL coming out with new books every other year about it with "new" details emerging about this or that. Ofcourse the modern academic system TRAINS a lot of our people, not to think for themselves and question what they're being told...but to simply pay attention to the information they've being given and regurgitate it back during tests and examinations. Whoever can spit the "official narrative" back most accurately is the one who gets the highest grades and graduates with honors.

They also go through marital and relationship problems at a much higher rate, but their women still give them chance after chance. When was the last time you heard White women getting on television or the internet bashing White men because of their infidelity, marrying Asian women, or being caught messing with children?

Well, I guess it depends on how one defines slavery. I had this discussion with a Cuban dude at work a few weeks ago and it carried on for 3 days....lol. We couldn't agree on the exact definition of what a slave is. Is it somebody who is forced to work for FREE. Or is it somebody who is forced to work PERIOD whether they're getting paid or not? And how far does it go? You may not be FORCED to work for another, but if you a threatened with jail time or have no other employers available...is it much of a choice? Prison Labor, as it's practiced in the United States today...is a form of slavery. They used to force the inmates to work for free, but so many people compared it to slavery that they started paying them SOMETHING per hour just to say they were getting paid.

MAN you said that so eloquently as I was thinking the very same thing but wasn't sure how to put it so I just didn't respond. How many White men didn't even graduate from highschool but were able to get "hooked up" on jobs where they made enough money to support themselves, buy property, and support families! I also like how Neely Fuller Jr. from time to time mentions how the racists also enjoy the privilege of "Mysterious Sources Of Income". ....another one of those things I noticed about White folks that others didn't seem to notice, but Mr.Fuller did...and pointed it out. How seemingly poor White folks with only one job that pays minimum wage seem to be able to maintain a house, a car, children, and even feed the damn dog....as well as maintain a drinking or drug addiction....with that ONE low paying job. They're obviously getting money from "somewhere else" besides just that job, but we don't know where it's coming from. You got a $300 a day drug habit, but somehow can hold down a job and pay a $1500 a month mortgage on a house....working at Home Depot?

Now , Juvenile said: 🤫 -shhhhh........I'll let you in on a little secret. Politics IS a dirty game, but I'm willing to PLAY the game and get a little dirt on me IF I (and my people) can get something TANGIBLE out of it. I'll pass out your fliers. I'll put your name out there. I'll hype you up in the barbershop and in the grocery store. ....if you PAY me to do it and/or promise me a nice little comfortable position in your Administration.

frankster Just because I am slim and my sibling is fat doesn't mean we are of different races.... You're mixing apples and potatoes. First of all, I said a SET of phenotypical differences....not just one or two. Second, being slim and being fat has less to do with PHENOTYPE and more to do with DIET and LIFESTYLE. Slim and fat is only phenotypical if there is a GENETIC cause for the proportional difference. If it's dietary...it's not considered phenotypical. Make it make sense please??? I don't have to make it, it already does...lol. Sometimes it's not the DELIVERY that's the problem....but who it's ADDRESSED to...lol. True ...so lets move on to forces with in Nature and in the Human Mind Body and Spirit....and how they can and do interact. According to you, they are all one in the same....so how can we?

"Are you for REAL...for real????" I mean..... You're seriously going to "re-explain" what I just showed you about the Bible's total justification of enslaving people? What I want to know right now is where is @Troy in all of this??? When it comes to discussions on the existence of race, you're steadily dipping in and out taking shots at my position. Throw a punch here.....dip out. Sneak in again....take a few jabs....look around.....dip out. Pop up.....throw a liquor bottle into mix....then run around the corner. But now that you have a man sitting up here JUSTIFYING SLAVERY and claiming the Bible doesn't say what it CLEARLY says....your silence on the subject is conspicuous.

Stop playing frankster! You done fucked around and stole ProfD's Username and Password and now you're going around the board promoting slavery in his name.....LOL. ....ya play too much.

Troy I don't know of any "experiment" that allows you to determine how old the Earth is. You have carbon dating and other methods that can give you an estimate age of certain material, but the entire planet???? When it comes to that.... Like the old saying goes: Your GUESS is as good as mine...lol. As far as showing you the dates for the construction of these hieroglyphs, monuments, and pyramids...I can't do that. To my knowledge, they didn't come with a time-stamp on them in the bottom corner, lol. Two things I will point out again...... 1. Whether we want to believe the planet is BILLIONS of years old or TRILLIONS of years old, we know for sure that it didn't begin around 4,000 B.C. like Western civilization taught and enforced for centuries. We KNOW that's a lie. 2. Western science...that so many people love to put their faith and trust in...has a well known and documented history lies, revisions, and deceptions. Putting your trust in THEM and their "findings" to determine the truth about anything wouldn't be the wisest choice.

ProfD Yep. I find the news to be more entertaining than reality TV And I find pictures of mature naked Black and Brown women FAR more entertaining than the propaganda being labeled as "news" today. It's starting to become my topic of choice when I surf the internet lately....lol. VP Harris mentioned a few aspects of her plan. There's not much meat on the bone. Ofcourse not. 1. It wouldn't be wise for anyone to give too many details of their plans before taking office because their political opponents could either steal them or derail them. 2. Like Trump, she doesn't offer much detail to her plan because she doesn't plan on implementing most of it anyway. Like I said, the agenda has been set. I wish people would see what I'm saying about every time Trump is asked how he plans to carry out this "mass deportation" he NEVER explains it. Instead he veers off the deep end with conspiracies, lies, accusations against Obama and Biden...everything but the details of how he plans to do it. Because he DOESN'T plan to do it.

Well don't just pick on the Christians...lol. Historically speaking, the Muslims have supported and condoned slavery as well.

ProfD Well, like I said earlier...for CENTURIES they were going around telling people that humanity is no older than 6,000 years..and using the Bible and the alleged "creation" of Adam to justify it. But, I'm wondering if *they* picked that 6,000 number arbitrarily similar to the way our calendar puts us at 2024 A.D. They picked that number because in reality, THEY are no older than 6,000 years....but the rest of humanity is. Otherwise, we should be in year 8024 or if humans have been around for 300,000 years, we should be in year 302024.😁 Remember when I told you that I left out a lot of details in Elijah Muhammad's teachings, in order to make my post brief? The Original Man's Calendar was one of those details..lol. Elijah Muhammad taught that humanity on this planet starts a new cycle every 25,000 years. Every 25,000 years the old civilizations are brought down and new ones are constructed and a new calendar begins. The original Black Asians of India (Dravidians) also teach and believe this. These time periods are known as EPOCHS Anyway..... Elijah Muhammad taught that Yacub was born and did his work around the year 9,000 of OUR calendar (or 4,600 B.C. of the White man's calendar) OF this current 25,000 year cycle that we are living in. He lived to be 150 year old and died, and less than 600 years later (around 4,000 B.C.) the White race as a final product of selective breeding emerged. According to him, we are between the 15,000 and 16,000 years range in our calendar and have over 9,000 more years to go before this cycle ends and the next cycle begins. Not saying I agree or disagree, but those are his teachings.

ProfD The wife of a financially stable man won't nag him about not having any money. She might be complain about him being too tight with it. Perhaps she'll nag him about something else...not being able to satisfy her in the bedroom, or being a wimp, or being emotionally detached...lol. Sure. There is no one size fits all when it comes to relationships. Roles and responsibilities can and do change. Depends on the situation. That's exactly my point. So why even add the extra stress of pushing "traditional" or "male dominated" relationships when people are going to hook up and make it work however they like anyway? If a man is dominant...he WILL dominate. No need to push him to do so or encourage the woman to "dial it down". Some people have a higher tolerance for pain than others. Oppression probably works in the same way. I wonder do Black people have a higher tolerance for pain and oppression and THAT in and of itself could be a problem in some cases. Meaning..... Where as Black folks will put up with abuse and oppression and tolerate it and endure it because they're strong enough to, the weaker more delicate White man will be quicker to "snap" under pressure and go crazy either killing himself or every oppressor he can get his hands on because he can't take it anymore.. My contention is that human beings should not be enslaving or killing each other for no good reason. For no GOOD reason? Wait a minute....lol...is their a "good" reason to enslave another? Am I talking to ProfD or the frankster, up in here????

frankster If you cannot see that then my explanation may not help you. Why do I need you to "explain" something to me that I can clearly see and read? The Bible clearly supports and condones enslaving people and the words are as clear as day. Here is an example.... You are a defeated enemy combatant or yo are a poor destitute or a voluntary slave..One thing you are not is a victim of kidnapping. So what? You're still being enslaved. And the Bible supports your being so. You are advise to escape and the sorrounding community is oblige to protect you from recapture. They can only be passed along if the slave wants to remain a slave for that family....every 6yrs to 7yrs or 50yrs by law and statute all in bondage must be given their freedom Nope Leviticus 25:46 "And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever" The Bible supports the type of slavery America had, where slaves were passed along from father to son, generation after generation. According to this passage, those slaves weren't supposed to EVER get out from under bondage. For it to be support....then the society must allow and cooperative with your capture and re-enslavement. Not necessarily. That's only one TYPE of support. Another TYPE of support is them allowing you to be enslaved in the first place...lol.

frankster Both RACE and SEX are social constructs based on phenotype (biology). Just like people of a certain phenotypical set of traits are assigned to a certain sex....people of a certain phenotypical set of traits are assigned to a certain race. Just like a penis is tangible...dark brown skin is also tangible. It's not a "social construct". Are you in your dream or is there content in your dream....then Nature is there. The problem with attempting to discuss this with you is your belief that nature encompasses "everything".

ProfD The 1st man has peace of mind in knowing his wife will never accused him of being broke. How so? Could you go into a little more detail. I've seen a lot of married couples where the husband and wife share power and the wife even seems to lead and make most of the decisions, who are doing VERY well financially. Only the luckiest old men get to enjoy that happy endings. Maybe that should be one of the goals of most men...lol. Throughout history, many people have chosen to die rather than be oppressed. The Palestinians are enduring both death AND oppression. It's not like they all chose to die a "noble death" before being forced to endure suffering and humiliation. No, they've gone through and ARE going through humiliation and oppression AS WELL as being killed.. And have been for many generations. And as mentioned before, their courage and brevity hasn't seemed to reward them. But I understand that many believe that they will be rewarded in the "afterlife" for their actions, so perhaps that's fueling them to keep going.

Troy OK, then how did Master Fard acquire this information? I'm not sure, but this type of question could be asked about MOST of the information we are given in an academic setting. You could stand up and ask the professor where did he or the people who wrote the books that he promotes or asks his students to study, get the information from...and where did THEY get it from...and so on and so forth. I'm more focused on whether or not it's TRUE. I mentioned before and I think you actually ordered and carried the book called "Making Of The White Man". That book and the research the author provided solidified a lot my beliefs in the Yakub theory by providing a lot of documented history and science that supports many of Muhammad's claims in a way that simply telling the story doesn't. It's like telling a kid that the sun is a star and leaving it at that. They'll find it very hard to believe UNLESS you go into detail AND they have some background knowledge in astronomy and science. Well, we recorded history doesn’t even go back 6000 years so What evidence would you expect to see? It depends on who's keeping the records...lol. The Vatican is FULL of ancient books and scrolls that they stole from indigenous peoples around the planet when Europeans went around enslaving and colonizing others. They'd burn up their libraries (like the ones in Egypt and the Americas) and take their ancient manuscript and ship them back to Europe....I presume to study them and acquire the knowledge for themselves. All the while claiming to be "good Catholics" who believed wholeheartedly in the Bible. Were these scripts less than 6000 years old, or much older? I'm not sure. But I'm guessing they are far older. How old is the oldest of these pyramids? Not sure, but I've heard they were at least 10,000 years old. I could see why they might do that. How did a Terrence Howard discover “new” math? I thought he was a Jehovah’s Witness. What does new math mean anyway? If you posted about this previously share link. Here's a video of him addressing students at Oxford I find it difficult to wrap my mind around 1 billion years. Trillions of years is just crazy. many scientists today including black ones believe our entire universe is 14 billion years old. now you’re saying that human beings have been around two orders of magnitude longer. to me that is just as crazy sounding as the people who believe the earth is only 6000 years old. But what do I know? Well, we KNOW for a fact that we've been lied to for many centuries by those who were supposed to be educating the people. First they claim that the world is only 6000 years ago and began with a creation story. Later on they claimed that it's much older by "other beings" were on the planet and that humans were only 6000 years old. Then "science" comes along and says that humans have been around for hundreds of thousands of years but "modern" humans have only been around -come on man, lol. Get your lies straight. The ancients say that humanity is much much older than what White scientists claim it is. We can agree on THAT...even if we can't agree on the estimations.

Race....among other things...was USED as a justification for racism, but I don't believe it was constructed as such. No more than I believe the difference between the sexes was "constructed" to justify sexism and chauvinism. As far as showing you where nature is NOT....Dreams.

frankster Ok? And how do the verses you just quoted abrogate or explain the verses I quoted that clearly SUPPORT and COMMAND the Israelites to not only enslave other people but keep them enslaved "forever" passing them along from generation to generation? That's like killing some people, allowing others to live, and then pointing to the ones you allowed to live as evidence that you aren't a killer....lol. What about the ones you killed!!!! You claim that when people make slaves of others and it becomes part of society....that's considered "supporting" it, right? Well, as shown above...that's what they were commanded to do.

ProfD The reparations movement would not be a joke if more AfroAmericans were on code. If an entire herd of zebras were on code they would come together with a plan to stomp out the 2 or 3 lions who come to their herd to kill and eat them...instead of scattering in different directions kicking up dust leaving the weakest zebras behind to be eaten. ....but they're NOT on code. And there's a REASON why they're not on code. 😏 -I think you know where I'm going with this, lol.

You mean to tell me yall actually WATCHED that shit...lol. I stopped being interested in this election MONTHS ago. I could care less who won because the agenda is set no matter who gets in office. Whoever the Establishment wants in....will get in; and it has already been decided. If I had a choice, I would RATHER Kamala take the seat because of what Trump represents and encourages. But in terms of actual policy....it makes no difference.

frankster The Social Construct that is Race is primary support for Racism. When carried to its extremes you end up with Chattel Slavery and the Nazi Holocaust of the Jews I agree. The key word in your statement is "extremes". If you take BATHING to the extreme you'll end up with very dry skin and rashes and other problems. We don't want to focus on extremes, but on moderate sensible ways of organizing society in a way that benefits US as a people and helps us identify our own. Then we will just have to disagree on that... Yes we will, because there is no way I will agree with you that The CREATOR of Nature is somehow confined to dwelling within the limits of Nature.

ProfD How do you define worth? The amount of value or benefit you get from it. In modern American society, let's say you have two married couples.... One is traditional with the man as head of the household; the other is more liberal with the husband and wife sharing power as equally as possible, or possibly with her possessing a little more power. What TANGIBLE benefits can the man of the first couple enjoy that the man of the second couple is missing out on by not being the head? There's no shortage of men who have stayed on the sidelines. Never got into the game. Yes, and lived to be a ripe old age and died healthy and happy laying on top of some young woman in bed...lol. While some brave (or stupid?) young men are laying in the grave over a LIE. Religion has little or nothing to do with how men operate in the grand scheme of things. I totally agree. Right. Therein lies the difference between alpha, beta and gamma males. Every man isn't built to be a soldier. Totally agree again. The Officers tend to be the educated ones, many of whom come from wealthy families and THEY make the decisions of how the war will be fought. Meanwhile the grunt-soldiers on the ground doing the fighting tend to be uneducated, poor, and in the dark about what the war is even about. If I had my choice at this stage in my life, I'd MUCH rather be an Officer than a soldier. Men aren't dying to maintain respect and/or fear from their women. They are dying to protect the freedom and way of life for their people Yes, that's why I brought them up as an example. Now the question is, is it WORKING for them? Looks to me like the more the Palestinians "stand up" for themselves, the more suffering and violence they end up enduring. The men AND women AND children are dying by the tens of thousands and they are not free or safe, so what benefit does a man being hyper-masculine and traditional offer the community in cases like that where you're facing overwhelming oppression?