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Energy Show me or refer me to these Historical documents please. OK, thanks for the clarification...and I will: Documentation of British involvement: http://abolition.e2bn.org/slavery_45.html http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/slavery/pdf/britain-and-the-trade.pdf https://www.bl.uk/learning/histcitizen/campaignforabolition/abolitionbackground/abolitionintro.html Documentation of Spanish involvement: https://academic.oup.com/ahr/article/120/2/433/45569 http://ldhi.library.cofc.edu/exhibits/show/african_laborers_for_a_new_emp/the_spanish_and_new_world_slav https://www.history.com/news/transatlantic-slave-first-ships-details Documentation of Portuguese involvement: https://www.dw.com/en/portugal-commemoration-transatlantic-slave-trade/a-56976093 http://ap.gilderlehrman.org/history-by-era/origins-slavery/essays/iberian-roots-transatlantic-slave-trade-1440–1640 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0094582X8501200103?journalCode=lapa Now do you ACCEPT these links and pictures that I've provided for you as historical documents? These claims tells me you are unaware that Africans called MOORS ruled the Portuguese and Spaniards for 800 years. This statement makes no sense to me. How does my statement that there are plenty of historical documents that support the role of Britain, Spain, and Portugal participated in human trafficking and slavery...which I just provided for you....express my LACK of knowledge of the Moors? Does not mentioning them mean I am unaware of their existence or activities? I didn't mention ancient Chinese or Aztec civilization either, does that mean I'm unaware of their existence or activities? Your logic is puzzling. I know the History of these people from the time they first became nations starting from the Visigoths, Saxons, Celts, Gauls and the Vikings. I never read anything like you are claiming in their History so I find your claims intriguing. So can you mention or point me to these alleged historical documents that said they engaged in slavery or human trafficking any time in their history? With all due respect sir, it seems as if you're trying to CHANGE THE REQUEST. First you request that I provide historical documentation on the role of the NATIONS of Britain, Spain, Portugal in The Great Ma'afa. NOW you're bringing up various ancient European TRIBES like the Celts and Gauls and asking for historical documentation of THEIR participation in it. What next.... are you going to demand historical documentation on the CAVE MEN and GRIMALDIS and NEADERTHALS and their role in The Great Ma'afa as well???? You asked me for historical documentation on NATIONS of Britain, Spain, and Portugal and that is what I've provided for you. Provide the EVIDENCE. Again, it seems as you're attempting to CHANGE or MODIFY your request! First you asked for HISTORICAL DOCUMENTATION, and now you're demanding EVIDENCE. Historical documentation isn't NECESSARILY evidence. In some cases it is.... In other cases it isn't.... It depends on the documents. At any rate, you asked for historical documentation and I provided them for you. Does this satisfy your initial request? And if not, why not?

Energy I am curious to know what evidence you have to support this statement you made. Not all Caucasians engaged in the Transatlantic Slave Trade. Who made the statement that "all Caucasians" engaged in the slave trade? Those who did were namely, French, British, Danes, Dutch, Spanish and the Portuguese. Can you show me any time in History that these mentioned nations ever engaged in human trafficking/slavery? Well first, what do you mean can I show you "any time" in history? There are plenty of historical documents of the British, Spanish, and Portuguese engaging in human trafficking and slavery. Tell me EXACTLY what you're asking me to provide. Also, wll you address the OTHER points I've made about the high standards of proof and evidence we should demand before simply accepting things told to us as "truth" or "facts"? Or will you continue to ignore most of what I say and just drill on a point or two?

Energy There is no evidence that is tenable if we deny the history that came with the said evidence. The evidence and the source are from the same stable. You can't pick and choose. What IS "history" without the evidence to support it....besides only mythology, or just plain old lies? If you are older than me, you can sit up here and tell me ANYTHING and call it "history"...... and I'll believe it if I'm silly enough. But a wise person will look for EVIDENCE of what you said before believing it. I'm not going to call it a lie...I have no proof of that either..but I'm not going to call it the truth before I atleast find evidence; otherwise, you just told a "story" that may or may not be true. Thus, as far as I am concerned, going by your reasoning, the Transatlantic Slave Trade never happened because we have NO EVIDENCE in Africa to say that it did. The dungeons in those Forts and Castles were for prisoners who were later released. In fact, the EVIDENCE we have strongly speaks against any such event happening. I haven't been to Africa yet so I'm not in a position to argue what kind of evidence does or does not exist in Africa. I know evidence of it exists in America. A few Europeans could not visit Africa thousand of miles from home and shipped off millions of alleged HELPLESS Africans to another country as slaves. That is just IMPOSSIBLE. It's possible if the Europeans (or any other group) are stronger or have better weapons. Millions of people are of little match when paired of against merely thousands with superior weapons. Now I wasn't around to witness what happened, but the fact that most European nations have superior weapons TODAY is EVIDENCE that they also had them several centuries ago. Not proof, but evidence that supports it. Also, the Caucasians have no history of ever engaging in human trafficking before they set foot in Africa. You're wrong about that. Whether it happened or not -- there is plenty of HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS and WRITINGS that make the claim they did! First of all, it is alleged that ARABS came into Africa many centuries before the Europeans to capture and enslave Africans and use them for labor throughout the various empires. Arabs come in various races, but most of them were allegedly Caucasian Arabs who initially came in and engaged in the trafficking. And many centuries before that it is alleged through history that Caucasians invaded ancient India and slaughtered and enslaved the Dravidian people native to that land. There is plenty of "history" of Caucasians engaging in slavery before Europeans did. Infact, in the very Bible you believe in it talks about Solomon who is described as being a White man (not Black) and it mentions how he put the native Canaanites (those who weren't slaughtered) to work on building the temple. The purpose for coming to Africa was to find an alternative route to India and trade in minerals. They had no prior knowledge of human trafficking. No time in their History did the British, Danes, the Spanish, the Dutch and the Portuguese engage in slavery. Maybe not, but these weren't the ONLY Caucasians. They are only a fraction of the Caucasian race. That would be like saying, since there is no history of the Ewe and Wolof people engaging in warfare....that means there is no history of African people PERIOD engaging in warfare. Thus, any suggestion that all of a sudden, out of the blue, they suddenly transformed into monstrous slavers is preposterous. The black people in America have always been natives of America. Some of your own fellow African-Americans have confirmed this. The giant statutes with Negroid features found across America attest to this as fact. How so? Here are giant stone carvings of Caucasians on Mt. Rushmore in America Does THIS attest to the "fact" that Caucasians have always been in America? A statue is a statue, not a time machine. The fact is, there are MANY theories about those heads. One of the theories I believe based on the evidence is that the West African Ghanaian King Mansa Musa's brother Abu Bakr and his crew of soldiers sailed across the Atlantic centuries before Columbus. I have no proof of this, not even evidence...but I've heard the assertion and it's plausible. Furthermore, most AfroAmericans who believe SOME Africans were here before Columbus (as I do) don't believe we were ALWAYS here but that we were here many many hundreds of years before Columbus. Centuries does not = "always". This, my friend, is the conclusion we arrive at if you want to rewrite history by denying EVERYTHING from our Oral History and from the history books. I'm not confirming it OR denying it. I hear and listen to it....but until solid evidence is produced one way or the other....it's just a story. You and many other people on the other hand will accept "history" without proof or even solid evidence to back it up and pass these same unbiased assertions and stories down from one generation to the next. It's the same thing with RELIGIONS. Too often people are tricked or forced into religions that have very little or no validity and they pass the same lies and fairytales down from one generation to the next and berate those who refuse to believe in them. And usually in the case of African/AfroAmerican people...both the "history" and "religions" they believe in have the same common original source: Some Caucasian who enslaved or colonized them. Finally, you seem to have a very distorted view of white people. How so? Have I lied on them? Just as white people hate the KKK (racist whites), likewise the majority of black people hate their version among black people. How do you KNOW that White people hate the KKK and other racist Whites? Have they TOLD you this? What evidence do you have to support this, besides more wishful thinking and hoping for it to be true. ....again, making assertions without PROVING them or backing them up with EVIDENCE is the problem.

Energy Evidence = FACTS that support an assertion. Evidence are not just fact, but facts that SUPPORT whatever you claim. Evidence isn't simply WORDS or DOCUMENTS. Evidence are WORDS or DOCUMENTS that have been proven to be TRUE. You may not be able to witness the assertion/claim....but you SHOULD be able to see the evidence to support it. In other words....... You assert that Africans were brought to the Americas to be slaves. You don't KNOW this because you weren't around to experience or witness it. So now you must figure out based on the EVIDENCE whether or not this assertion is true. A so-called "history book" that says Africans were brought over to be slaves IS NOT EVIDENCE. It's just another assertion that may or may not be true. -An old receipt for Africans being sold from on Slave plantation to another is EVIDENCE! -AfroAmericans who speak various forms of West African languages mixed with English is further EVIDENCE! -The fact that many AfroAmericans are concentrated in the West Indies and along the coasts of Mexico and the United States near the Atlantic Ocean is further EVIDENCE! Granted, none of it is absolute PROOF, but it's all EVIDENCE that piles up to support the fact that it DID HAPPEN. Evidence are FACTS that support the assertion. But honestly, perhaps we SHOULD get in the habit of not arbitrarily believing things we weren't around to witness SIMPLY because Caucasians put it in their history books or teach it in their schools. I'm not sure about African tradition, but most older AfroAmericans who were around to witness certain events would tell me as a kid that it happened ONE way, but when you read about it in history books written by Caucasians....they story they tell is often times totally different. Caucasians have a HISTORY of being deceptive, omitting certain facts, and straight up lying. So why should we believe what they write in their books?

Energy When it comes to history (distant past events), it's not about confirming it OR denying it. It's not about saying it DID happen or DIDN'T happen. It's about the LIKELIHOOD of it happening. If we weren't around to experience it or witness it ourselves then unless we have a time machine OR we have a spiritual experience where we are Divinely taken back....the best we as human beings can do is CONSIDER the evidence of whether it happened or not and weigh the evidence. Evidence ARE facts that we can verify or dis-spell an assertion. Yes, I'm aware of people who assert that the Great Ma'afa (TransAtlantic Slave Trade) didn't happen and that we didn't come from Africa. But they don't provide proof or evidence of this, they just get online and SAY it. But people running their mouths on the internet and putting out baseless theories aren't "facts" or "evidence". Again, facts are things we can verify and prove. Although neither you nor I were around to witness it, there is more evidence (facts) that support the assertion that the Great Ma'afa did happen than didn't. In a world where so many African people (African in the racial sense) suffer from poverty, disease, and violence....our people need the TRUTH to help them solve their problems. Not mythology and false history.

And in keeping with the topic of this thread: We can say the same thing of the Bible I'm counting on the fact that neither YOU nor anybody YOU KNOW has witnessed any event that has been recorded in the Bible NOR have you or anybody you know even witnessed who wrote it! Yet you believe in it whole heartedly. Not because it is true and you can verify it, but because some of our ancestors were either FORCED to believe in it or were BRIBED into believing in it by Caucasians who came offering money and other valuable goods in exchange for their conversion and that tradition was passed down from one generation to the next.

Energy Facts of History usually don't make pleasant reading. I think you're missing my point. Much of what you're calling "facts of history" aren't actually facts AT ALL. It's mere information that you've gotten passed along to you from sources and people who themselves had it passed down to them OR made it up. Again, you continue to IGNORE the standards that I've suggested we use to verify whether this information is true or not which is having witnessed it yourself. Below is a link to one of the many barbaric acts about Human Sacrifice and the primitive traditions that fuelled the slave trade. It is no secret that European Colonialists went to WAR with our African ancestors to force them to stop these evil practices. Most of the accounts were from EYE-WITNESSES and backed up by Oral traditions. ((shakes head)) I ask YOU have YOU witnessed any of this, and instead of telling me what YOU have seen or what PEOPLE YOU KNOW have seen.....instead you give me a STORY you've pulled off the internet as if that is some sort of verification. You have NO IDEA whether that article is true or false. It's about YOU.....I ask did YOU witness any of this? And if not have YOUR PARENTS or anyone YOU PERSONALLY KNOW witnessed this? If not, you may as well forget about calling it a "fact". I am not telling you these things for the fun of it. I am making you are aware of them because they are the identifying marks God put on the Hebrews to IDENTIFY them in exile. Ask yourself an intelligent question: Why does "God" need a mark to identify the people He created? The SUPREME BEING knows Everything! ALL KNOWING. There is no need for a marker to identify anyone or anything. That's the thinking of a human being, because a human being wrote the book. You can read about the identifier curses in Deuteronomy 28. Every horror mentioned in there was fulfilled in Africa. Are you telling me that instead of doing it Himself, God decided to use Caucasians to curse and punish them? Why???? Why do you think God would use another race who are JUST AS IF NOT MORE SINFUL than the Africans to punish Africans? The SUPREME BEING is fully capable of punishing Whoever needs to be punished. No need to send Europeans or any other Caucasians into Africa to fullfill some "curse" spoken of.

Energy I apologize if you're taking my words being rude....that's certainly not my intention. However the TRUTH of what I've said remains..... You can't claim to know things YOU haven't experienced or observed to verify them yourself. And you shouldn't call them "facts" unless they have been verified either by you or a credible 2nd hand source. I've repeatedly asked you have YOU witnessed certain things and been to certain archeological sites to verify that which you call "facts" and instead of answering the question you ignore it and attempt to deflect. I highly doubt most AfroAmericans or Africans will take too kindly to you still refering to us as "negroes" or talking about how our ancestors were steeped in cannibalism and human sacrifice until Europeans "saved" them by colonizing them.

Energy LOL! I told you I am an ERVERH. We usually write the name as EWE because the VHWERH sound in the pronunciation of our name is not in the English alphabet. To compensate, we substitute the letter W where the sound should appear. The result is EWE. Nevertheless, the best was to help you pronounce the name is to write it out, which is ERVERH. ? Since you posted that I've watched videos on it and how it's pronounced and from what I've heard the people pretty much say "Eh-way" It doesn't seem very hard to spell the proper pronunciation. But do you know what the problem might be? Since Caucasians (White people) spell it "Ewe" THAT is why you continue to do it! It has nothing to do with how difficult it is to pronounce, but more to do with the lack of a desire to dispute and contend with the "white way" of doing things....even when it's obviously wrong. If the people or language is pronounced "Eh-way" then it should be SPELLED EH-WAY or EW-U-WAY. It's not hard...unless you try to put a square peg in a round hole. Our territory stretches from the Ga-Adangbe Region in Ghana all the way to Lagos in Nigeria. During the Transatlantic slave trade, our region was called the Slave Coast because most of the slaves to the Americas were from the region. This territory is now divided between four Countries, namely Ghana, Togo, Republic of Benin and Nigeria. Yes, most AfroAmericans are descended from West Africans. But most West Africans...like most Africans period....are descended from Kemet, or ancient Egypt. But not necessarily the Hebrews. Hebrews were only ONE TRIBE of many living in Kemet. Anyway, back to the point I was making, "European colonisation saved us from many of the terrible practices we the natives were practising, which included Slavery, Cannibalism and Human Sacrifice. We were not manipulated and exploited through colonization, as you claim. I ask you again, did YOU witness any of this cannibalism and human sacrifice that you speak of? How did you know it was taking place, unless YOU witnessed it yourself? I'm not sure if you've read my thread on KNOWLEDGE vs INFORMATION: ...but you need to check it out. Because I'm not sure if you know the difference between FACTS that have been verified to be true and mere INFORMATION that has been repeated and passed down over and over again through history. Too often people of color (African, Asian, ect...) will believe and accept something as officially true, factual, and historical simply because a Caucasian TOLD them it was....without verifying it for themselves.

Energy LOL! Not in in Central or West Africa. European colonisation saved us from many of the terrible practices we the natives were practising, which included Slavery, Cannibalism and Human Sacrifice. If you disagree, then I will love to see your EVIDENCE to the contrary How can I disagree with a statement I can't prove right or wrong. I would have to go back in history to verify if what you said was true or false. I'm curious what nation do you come from and what is your ethnic group? Also, did you personally witness a remnant of some of these practices of cannibalism and human sacrifice you speak of yourself?

Energy I'm not surprised. Many Black people in Africa were manipulated and exploited through colonization like many Black people in the Americas were manipulated and exploited through slavery. The same racists oppressed and manipulated both. According to the Bible you quote from, Israel means "He who fights/struggles with God". In Genesis chapter 32 Jacob allegedly wrestled with an Angel and afterwards his name was changed to "Israel". If Jacob was FIGHTING an Angel or a Being he believed to be God, then you should ask yourself the question who was backing him. Why would a RIGHTEOUS man fight or wrestle with an Angel in the first place? Is = He Ra = Wrestles/Fights/Struggles El = God In other words...REBELLIOUS. What if I were to tell you that Israel or "Children of Israel" was the name that the Canaanites gave to the Caucasians who invaded their land and destroyed their cities? When you read the book of Exodus the Children of Israel were allegedly "given" the land of Canaan, but it already had many people living ON the land! So according to scripture they slaughtered most of the inhabitants of the land and enslaved the remainder. This is what Caucasians have done all over the planet....but it's just happened to be recorded in the Bible. Because these Caucasians were so destructive and wicked and murderous they were called "Children of Israel" or "Children of those who are rebellious to God" Africans had and still have their traditional religions but when the Europeans came, they took YOUR original religions away from you and replaced them with FALSE religions in order to take away your true spiritual power.

Energy Just because you write best-seller books about a subject, doesn't mean what you write is TRUE. Dr. Suess wrote multiple best-seller books about a TALKING CAT in a hat....that didn't make what he wrote true. You ability to write best-seller books probably point more to your wonderful creativity than how true your writings are. Granted you did not write the Bible but the information and the meaning is very clear, "my scattered people" means the Hebrews in exile. The Bible doesn't specifically mention "Hebrews in exile". According to the Bible the Hebrews are the children of the patriarch Eber. And based on MY research, the Hebrews are actually the ancestors of the Igbo (pronouced "Eeboo") people of Nigeria.....not ALL Black Africans. It talks about Israelites being removed from their land and from the Kin So the verse is saying the lost tribes of Israel are in Africa. According to the Bible, the tribes weren't exactly "Lost". Many of them....especially the tribe of Judah...were allegedly taken back to Babylon, and others were scattered to various areas but kept in close contact with eachother. Sub-Sahara Africans are Negroes. Lol...when did AfroAmericans began to call our race "Negro" again? I thought we decided that that term was inappropriate for us. This means the ancient Israelites were Negroes. You're doing what's called "jumping to conclusions". Jeremiah 13:23 says: "Can an Ethiopian change his skin or a leopard its spots? Neither can you do good who are accustomed to doing evil." If ancient Israelites were "Negroes" as you say, why would Jeremiah point to Ethiopians and refer to THEIR skin if he..being an Israelite...was the same as them??? In Exodus it is said that Moses' sister Miriam had a problem with him choosing an Ethiopian wife. He they were "Negroes" as you say, what was her problem? The image below was left in antiquity by the Assyrians who took a section of the Israelites into exile. As you can see by the dreadlocks, they are black people. These are the FACTS based on history and archaeology. Did YOU go to the site and find this picture/carving? If not...how can you verify whether or not it's a fact or where it came from or who it refers to? Too often our people accept whatever Caucasians give them or present to them as "facts" and "history" when the truth is it's false information that has no verification what so ever. I'm not saying that picture IS or IS NOT an actual picture of Israelites. I simply don't know one way or the other, and I doubt you do either. Speaking of Israel.... Do you know what the word "Israel" means? You apparently think "Israel" is a good name to have.

Energy How do I explain it? I didn't write it, so it's not up to me to explain....lol. But I'll say this..... According to the Bible, some of the Israelites who left Palestine traveled down into Egypt and accordingly ended up in other parts of Africa as well. The question is are ALL or even MOST AfroAmericans the descendants of these Israelites? Why did they have to leave their land and get scattered in the first place? The vast majority of our people when they were brought from Africa were practicing traditional African religions which involved venerating the Ancestors. A smaller percentage were Muslims. And almost none were Christians or Jews. I believe....though I could be wrong..that because our some of our ancestors were forced to believe in the Bible and become Christians and that tradition was passed down to us....many of us try to READ ourselves into a book that is clearly not holy or from God. So we pull out verses here and scriptures there and try to make it fit. For example, he verse you present says "My scattered people will bring Me and offering". Now what does that mean? That verse was written in it's original script thousands of years ago..exactly when is this offering supposed to take place? How does that prove it's truth or that we as AfroAmericans are THOSE people??

I believe (I don't know for sure) that Oprah DOES indeed own her network. And theoretically she CAN talk about whatever she wants to talk about on her own network. However, there's a few things we must keep in mind. Will talking about these controversial topics bring her more money and viewership? Or will they just increase divisiveness and turn much of her largely Caucasian audience away? You may say... "SO WHAT???? So what if she turns most of the Caucasians away, these topics need to be talked about!!" Well....Caucasians are her bread and butter. She doesn't claim to be a civil rights activist or icon, but an entertainer. Yes I think those subjects need to be talked about indepth...and more than simply TALKING about them we need to actually DO something that will SOLVE these problems. However the fact is, for Oprah to talk about these subjects MAY NOT solve these problems because we already have thousands of people talking about them over and over again but the problems seem to not be getting solved. The only thing that MAY end up being done is she loses much of her Caucasian support and much of her wealth. Now if she loses it while actually SOLVING the problem....that's one thing. But to lose it WITHOUT solving the problem and not a damn thing is being done....what was the purpose? In other word.................. Suppose I'm a Black man who's a billionaire: And I made my billions talking about pound cakes and icecream. Caucasians pay me HUNDREDS of millions of dollars a year just to talk about that and that alone. Now I CAN talk about racism and social injustice instead, but I'd be doing so at my own risk. Plus, what can I expect to accomplish by doing this besides looking funding from the Caucasians? Will these problems get solved? Will me stop talking about cake and ice cream and instead talking about police brutality and racism SOLVE those problems? If not, why risk losing hundreds of millions to do something that doesn't even solve the problem?

Energy Welcome to the site. As for your topic..... It's not a "fact" that Black people wrote the Bible. It's an opinion based upon false information and wishful thinking. After being enslaved and exploited, our people were indoctrinated with Christianity and told the lie that "The Bible" was the word of God when it really was just the English translation of a collection of books written by men....and those men weren't Black. The fact is, most Black people probably wouldn't even know the Bible existed if it weren't for Caucasians who introduced it to some of our ancestors through slavery, colonialism, and other forms of exploitation....and ofcourse we started passing it down to eachother by tradition because many of us didn't know any better. Now we KNOW better. You KNOW that book wasn't written by God, but by other men and contains numerous contradictions but I don't think you want to accept it because you don't know how to replace it. I've found a replacement. I believe in and trust in The SUPREME BEING. Stop believing in and promoting this falsehood from your enemy.

Troy This is the same reasoning white people use to explain why they won’t take the covid vaccination. I haven't heard them make that argument. Do you have a link or audio of them saying that? From what I can tell TENS OF MILLIONS of Caucasians are taking them so I'm not sure where you're getting that info. It is too difficult to explain to someone who reasons this way why the reasoning is faulty. How so? How difficult is it to simply tell the TRUTH, or admit you DON'T KNOW? When it comes to LIES or trying to explain something you DON'T KNOW but simply got as 2nd hand information from Caucasians...and thus can't explain it because you didn't come up with it....then THAT might take some time, lol. But it's not hard, it's simple......either you KNOW it or you DON'T KNOW it. If you KNOW it....you should be able to explain it. Further, You believe science is the tool of white racism so any conclusions drawn by science is suspect to you. I believe CONFUSION is a tool of white racism, not necessarily science. Science is just a collection of knowledge. A white racist may USE something that is scientific to their advantage, but science itself isn't necessarily a tool. Problem is, many of our people are CONFUSING true and actual "science" with mere rhetoric, propaganda, and conjecture that they've been indoctrinated with by Caucasians whom they trust. They're calling THAT "science"....and berating those who refuse to go along with it. Not only do THEY blindly follow and trust in Caucasians, but they berate and belittle the other AfroAmericans who have a healthy distrust and REFUSE to. Working On The Next Generation

After years of careful observation of the interactions of our people (actually people of color in general) with Caucasians -I've come to the conclusion that most of our people don't know the difference between KNOWLEDGE and INFORMATION. And because they don't know the difference, they think they have "facts" and "knowledge" when all they really have is speculation, conjecture, and false information. They are victims of the greatest tool the system called "White Supremacy" uses to maintain it's power: CONFUSION. They are CONFUSED about what is true and not true because they don't know or understand the difference between KNOWLEDGE and mere INFORMATION. So what IS the difference? KNOWLEDGE: That which you have either experienced or observed directly INFORMATION: Statements, figures, and assertions that can either be true OR false. In other words, if I tell you it's raining outside....I just gave you INFORMATION. It's not KNOWLEDGE until you either go outside to experience the rain or look out of a window and observe it for yourself. Now think about that. How many AfroAmericans have experienced or observed what they actually claim they KNOW? Not only isn't most of the so-called "knowledge" that AfroAmericans claim to posses actual knowledge, it's really just INFORMATION (much of it false information at that) that was spoon fed to them by the Caucasians who taught them or from what they get from the media. "Are you sure that 2 + 2 = 5? My Mama said it was always 4" "No sweetheart, recent archeological findings now refute that theory. Scientific evidence now supports the hypothesis that 2 + 2 while not quite equaling 5 comes several degrees closer than previously thought. Richard Dawkins said so." If we want to improve our personal lives and improve our condition collectively, we need to focus on getting actual KNOWEDGE, not mere 2nd hand INFORMATION And again KNOWLEDGE is that which is gained by experience or observation.

Troy Your assertion raises several questions............... 1. Science is supposed to be based on FACTS. Facts are things that have been established as true based on PROOF. Things are usually PROVEN by either experience or direct observation. Seeing as how nobody living today is likely to have been around 200,000 years ago to experience or directly observe the environment.......how did THEY arrive at the conclusions they so firmly believe as "scientific facts"???? 2. Those "Black scientists" that you speak of (and I hope some of them read this post and perhaps can answer my question)....where did the get THEIR knowledge? Did they get their facts and knowledge from archeological research and digging done themselves? Did they get it from their OWN laboratories with their OWN equipmen? .....or are they just accumulating SECOND HAND information that is being fed to them by Caucasian scientists? Too often AfroAmericans CLAIM to have facts and knowledge but when you really investigate you find out all of their information was taken from Caucasian sources. Not actually gathered by THEM. I admit MY knowledge and facts are limited, but I acknowledge this as a fact and reserve definite assertions UNTIL I can verify them. But too often our people believe all it takes is for a Caucasian to say it and THAT is enough to make it true.

Troy I said "if not" which means I didn't settle definitely on that figure. However if I had.... What's so "crazy" about it? Because a Caucasian man with glasses didn't say it...yet? "So....when are we gonna tell 'em the truth?" "We're not, and here's why......" When more educated Caucasians first came out with the idea that human beings were HUNDREDS of thousands of years old as opposed to the typical 6,000 year timeframe most religious authorities claimed....their idea was called "crazy" as well. Some of them were even persecuted. Why must you insist on running information by Caucasians BEFORE you consider believing it?

Caucasians are the newest race being less than 7,000 years old. They are who "Adam and Eve" symbolize in the story. We as African Black people have been on this planet for atleast 50,000 years and before our race came into existence the Dravidian Black people were on this planet millions if not trillions of years before. We were the beings who were on the planet before "Adam".

Troy Exactly, you got it. Besides me, where have other people been over the weekend??? I think Harry B didn't even post anything over the weekend! Lol....I would think a free open forum would look mighty attractive in today's "cancel culture" climate where people are getting blocked and reported left and right for posting their opinions.

Several things you need to notice is: 1. The police listened to BOTH SIDES of the issue. They didn't just attack the Black men tossing them around like rag dolls and taking the Asian couple's side of the story automatically. How many times have you seen that, when it comes to interactions between Blacks and other races in the United States? 2. Second, the officer is visibly upset with the man because when he called the police he said his wife saw a gun. So now the officer is demanding to know did HE see a gun also and the man keeps trying to figure out a way to lie. Would you have seen something like that in the United States? Or would in many cases the police just roll up and AUTOMATICALLY assume that the non-Black immigrants are telling the truth and the Black people are the wrong ones? Look at how it goes down in many liquor stores, gas stations, and other places so often where it's the Black word against the non-Black word. The officer finally gets frustrated with the man and yells at him before walking away. Again, would you have seen that here? 3. The officers said this was a "landlord / tenet dispute" making it clear that it wasn't a crime worth calling the police on. How many times have you heard THAT in the United States? In the U.S. people have become comfortable using the police as their own private security force. You want to know why race relations are so much better in Canada, here is an example of why because the government (including law enforcment) seems to be more just and fair in dealing with all races and ethnic groups. Not targeting some and treating others like they're special. Now that's not to say that Canada is all good, they certainly have their problems. And there are a lot of good and fair places in the United States. However having traveled back and forth to Canada since being a teenager I've noticed stark differences in the people and society in general.

Troy Could It be be considered them savages because of their actual behavior and not the complexity of the skin? It could be. Or it could be BOTH....as one relating to the other. It's like asking me: "Do you like women because they are the opposite sex? Or do you like women because they have wide hips and breasts?" My answer would be BOTH because both factors are related. It's not an either or type of question. Where did you read about this “race” based religious system? It's called Hinduism and it was established after the Caucasians invaded the land and slaughtered and subjegated original Black in habitant establishing a racial heirachy. It has evolved over the thousands of years to include many different factors, but skin color is still a major factor in your social status. If you don't believe me, just ask a person from India.

@Chevdove We talked race relations and I told you that it seemed to me that races get along much better in Canada than in the U.S. and there are many opinions why, but most AfroAmericans who've spent time in both nations have come to this very same conclusion. This is a recent interaction between 3 different races: Black civilians Asian civilians and Caucasian police. Now I want you to pay attention to what you SEE and what you DON'T SEE..............