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I'M warning you not to. How 'bout 'DAT? Cuz I don't wanna have to hurt your feelings, up in this mug. Don't nobody here wanna see me make you cry. Including me. So.......

ProfD People are protesting the US heading towards fascism. Much if not most of America VOTED for him knowing full well what he was going to do. The ones out in the street are a minority, it seems. POTUS OJ has been making decisions without Congressional approval since January 2025. National guard being deployed in major cities. Blowing up boats off the coast of Venezuela. Using lawfare to go after opponents. The people are letting their voices be heard that the US doesn't want or need a king. Except for the National Guard deployment (which he promised he would do), he pretty much did that during his first term too. His supported apparently loved it so much they were willing to storm the capital and KEEP him in office. Again, his constituents....which is the majority of the White population....ELECTED him to do just what he's doing. They're onboard with it. umbrarchist It does advertise to The World that Lots of Americans are not rolling over for the Lying Imbecilic Egomaniac. Do you think most of the world even CARES? If most of the world doesn't even care about Gaza, why would they care about what's happening in the wealthiest nation on the planet when they have their own political corruption and social vices to deal with. Do you think Zelensky watched any of it. With glee...probably. Or probably not. He knows those pep-rallies and shit are pretty much futile. He know Trump is the man he's got to deal with for a while, regardless as to how he feels about him. Troy The protests by themselves will accomplish nothing. That's how I feel. If anything, they'll probably cause more harm than good to the individual protester if they under surveillance.

That isn't an example of "black-n-white" thinking.... It's an analogy that humbles your "do unto others" standard for treating people. You can't (nor should you) treat everyone the way YOU want to be treated.

ProfD There have been individuals who made it. That has done nothing for nation-building and replacing the system of racism white supremacy. But for that ONE individual, they have found success and that is a good thing. One is better than NONE. A successful community starts with INDIVIDUAL successes. House by house, block by block, city by city. If all Black folks focused on their own INDIVIDUAL success instead of being jealous of and fighting eachother...that alone would put us back on top. That whole situation is dysfunctional. Prisoners are not thr model of unity. But YOUR focus and premise seems to suggest that "Black Unity" is the key to success. I'm simply providing you an illustration of Black men who are together and united but are NOT very successful according to most people's idea of "success". Middle Easterners have been fighting for hundreds of years for one reason or another. And where has it gotten them? Look at Gaza...or what's left of it. Fear of death. Not just death, but a PAINFUL death. And torture. And imprisonment. For what? To do what? Black people were the 1st civilization. We already know how to work the land and survive. True. But most Black people want to do MORE than just "survive". They want to live a nice comfortable life with nice cars, air conditioned homes, and many want to smoke that fake ass weed. So they'd rather live UNDER a ruler who can provide them with that, than be on their own where they feel then can ONLY manage basic food, clothing, and shelter at this point in their development. Freedom is about getting rid of any forms ot oppression. Nobody is free. Including White folks. Plenty Black people all over the planet have been taking care of themselves just fine for centuries without white oppression. I agree. And we will continue to do so in the future. It is unfortunate to think or believe AfroAmericans cannot survive without being underneath white folks It's unfortunate that so many AfroAmericans today don't even have a desire to PROVE that thought or belief wrong. Troy Marcus Garvey. Well first of all, Marcus Garvey worked primarily with Black AMERICANS and other Black people in the Caribbean and South America...not ALL Black folks. Second, I'll give you that Marcus Garvey helped Black people who WANTED to be helped. But even the Honorable Marcus Garvey said that some Black folks ain't no good. They ain't no good here in America and won't be any good in Africa. If every African were not ignorant to the fact that they were being transported to a foreign land to be worked to death and that their descendants would suffer the same fate for generations -- I doubt many of those ships would have made it across Atlantic. Related to that statement, here's a clip you may find interesting. Check it out:

ProfD Sure. They don't see themselves as gold diggers. If they're looking for men strictly for money, that's what they are. Most women don't...however. There's definitely no shortage of women putting themselves in the path of those dudes. I DARE you to show me a Forbes, Gates, or Elon Musk "groupie" photo....lol. That wasn't AI generated...lol. Semantics. Money attracts and makes people tolerate i.e. put up with whatever comes with it. It's not the same. GETTING women isn't the same as ATTRACTING women. A man using his wealth to GET women isn't the same as a man who uses his body or personality to ATTRACT women. That's not a list of perfection. Most of it takes very little effort. If a dude is too lazy to meet those 10 requirements, that's part of his *problem* getting women. Dress well. Smell great. Hit the gymn. This is over and above the average man. Not to say that the average man should be able to walk around stinking and dressing shabby; but most men don't have the time or energy to lay out his clothes like a model, wear expensive cologne, or spend extra time trying to "sculpt" his body...lol. Nor do they have to. As I said before, I know a lot of men who don't fit HALF of your description and have women fighting over them...literally. So it's gotta be something else...lol. Cool. Just don't tell impressionable people they can become millionaires selling themselves. I tell young people the same thing I told you, that sex sells. But many of them figure that out anyway at an early age. Even teenagers can pick up on whether or not the boss at work likes them and lets them get away with certain things. Men look at prostitutes, escorts and strippers only in a s8xual manner. They certainly aren't looking at them as future wives. For that moment...yes. Just like a man looks at his wife only in a sexual manner, when he's ready for sex. Black men will turn their heads around like an owl to look at a nicely shaped woman. Women looked at that D'Angelo video in a s8xual manner too. They look at Nick Cannon, Chris Brown, 50 Cent and other celebrities the same way. Which I personally don't have a problem with. That's human nature. Plenty of men and women objectify others. They only get together for s8x. No dinners or dates or Netflix nights. And I ain't mad at them. Some people know exactly what they want and win they want it. No games. Which is why Treach said in OPP, "You get it on occasion ONLY IF the other party isn't gaming" ...but with you, I hope I DON'T have to start the explaining. Troy When it comes to humans everything is not Black and white as you like to think about it. What have I said to give you that impression? I've been to the DMV a lot and I would put those sistas up against any in the US You put some of them DMV sistas up against any "sista"....outside of Atlanta....and that poor sista may end up getting beat down...lol. A SISTA doesn't stand much of a chance against a MISTA...lol. The question is not nearly as provocative as you are making it seem. It is simply a variation on "Do onto others..." It's not that simple. If this were the case, you wouldn't have sexual intercourse with women because you wouldn't want somebody sticking a dick into YOU....I would presume, lol. So you don't always go by how YOU would like to be treated when it comes to others. Further..... I wouldn't treat certain women how I'd want my Mother because my Mother wouldn't ACT like many of them in the first place! She wouldn't carry herself and talk the way some of these females talk, TO be treated the way they do.

I'm trying to understand what do they hope to accomplish by holding these rallies across the nation. Most people's minds are already made up as to whether or not they support Trump.

Troy I don't believe it -- seriously. This can't be true. I've been in some hood spots, but I have never seen anything like this. You don't believe it? Go to Detroit and see it for yourself. Go to a barbershop WITH IN the city limits but outside of downtown and you'll find MULTIPLE shops like what I just described. Word bond. Now the barbershop I went to was not nearly as bad as you described. They had ghetto tendencies selling bootleg DVD's, Viagra, and God knows what else. Yep, most of them have that too. Little tables set up either inside the shop or just outside of it where they're selling everything they can dream up. Bootleg movies, music, clothes, vapes, incense, oils, fake jewelry, shea butter, ect... That's just on ONE side of the entrance to the shop....lol. On the OTHER side of the entrance you have a brother with a big barrel bar-b-que grill selling bar-b-que and hot dogs along with his "special sauce". And besides the vendors you have "niggas who hang around"....just hanging around the joint talking trash and staring at the people and cars that go by like they're waiting on a drive-by...lol. That's a good 20% of the barbershops within the city.

ProfD That's why women who know absolutely nothing about sports will show up at sporting events in their best outfits. Trying to land an athlete. Same goes for artists and musicians. There will be women at the hotel before they even arrive. Those are SOME women. Mostly the gold digging types. However most of the women at those events are with THEIR men...who aren't athletes or wealthy....and those women don't seem to be interested in getting with the players. Mutual attraction. Yes, that's a given. My point was it's not MONEY that attracts most women. Some..yes...but not most. How many women do you think are chasing after Bill Gates or Elon Musk? These men are married, but that wouldn't stop them from having groupies and crowds of women following them around IF they were considered attractive, given their amount of wealth. The only reason POTUS OJ has his mail-order bride is money. Otherwise, she isn't interested in him. In fact, she's hardly ever around him. Which is clear evidence that it's not the money that makes a man attractive. If it did, it would make a woman actually WANT to be around you....not just "tolerate" you....lol. Now money will make a man more likely to be USED by a woman! ....who then turns around and gives HIS money to a man she actually DOES find attractive who often times has little to NO money. But again, money doesn't necessarily make the man attractive. 1) Make money 2) proper hygiene, dental care and grooming 3) dress very well 4) smell great 5) hit the gym 6) have transportation 7) have great conversation 8 ) have a sense of humor 9) be knowledgeable 10) be a gentleman Lol..... What you just described is an almost PERFECT man, and most men are far from this. Again, a lot of men don't have HALF or even a QUARTER of what you described above and still are able to attract a lot of women. Again, that is a different perspective. I was referring to the ability to become wealthy using one's own body. My point is that sex sells, regardless of who's selling it. To look at someone s8xually is a part of physical attraction. That's why both men and women dress a certain way. To objectify a person s8xually is believing or treating them as if they are only good for that purpose Ok, thanks for clarifying this. The next question is, what person do you know that sees other people ONLY in a sexual manner? I haven't met anybody who does. I've met some straight up players....but they see women as business partners, mothers, sisters, etc..... They just like sex and variety. A man should *think* about it from that perspective before objectifying other women. I asked the question earlier, who actually "objectifies" women? I honestly haven't met one...according to that definition. It really comes down to respect. I'm reminded of those women that you described earlier who dress up in revealing outfits and show up at ball games to attract men. It would seem to me that they actually WANT to be seen in a sexual manner. It would also seem to me that seeing them in the manner they intended WOULD be showing them respect. Every major city in America has an alphabet soup community including Detroit. LOL...facts. Detroit actually has a sizeable one, and has had one since the 90s atleast.

ProfD If it is all about an individual or a handful of people *making it*, there is no need to discuss any type of Black unity. I knew you'd get it! Just joking bro....lol. It's always been about INDIVIDUAL making it! I thought you knew. You and your family are the focus. The #1. Unity is only beneficial if it helps YOU become more successful! Which is why there is no need to unite with losers and failures who can't get their shit together. You're better off on your own doing your own thing. OTOH, everyone can *benefit* is there was real Black unity. ONLY if they are united in SUCCESS. You ain't benefiting by being united under FAILURE and POVERTY. You have a certain amount of "Black unity" in prison. A bunch of niggas crowded together living under the same rules, in the same conditions, wearing the same cloths. What good is THAT "unity"??? The benefits of unity only come when they are united for the purposes of success and progress. As I've mentioned in previous dialog on this subject, violence would have been the better alternative. Only if that violence was INTELLIGENTLY orchestrated and carried out. Remember, they've had many many slave revolts....most of which were violent....but many of them failed. Despite slavery, lynching, water hoses and dogs biting up to modern day executions by police and racists, Black folks have depended on non-violent resistance. Perhaps this is because they've seen what happens when Black folks get out of pocket with the authorities. The slaves would have been better off if they had united, got on code, armed themselves, come up with a plan to escape and killed the slave master and his family and employees. You could also say a pet doesn't have to wait on it's owner to feed them or let them go outside. They could learn how to go to the cabinet and get THEIR OWN food and learn how to open the door to LET THEMSELVES out. Well.... They WOULD if they had sense enough to...lol. Why don't they? Fear of death has kept Black folks oppressed more than anything else. I think IGNORANCE would be give "fear of death" a run for it's money for that #1 spot. A man has to be capable of violence in order to protect himself and his family and tribe. It takes more than just violence. It takes BRAINS. And once you over throw your oppressor you have to be able to build or atleast maintain a functioning society equal to if not greater than his own. You don't killed off Massa and his family and burnt up all the crops. That was ACT I What about ACT II ? Pretending ain't no more White folks around coming to investigate what happened... Now what? Back to the fields to plant more food to eat. Back to the forest to chop down some trees to build houses. Freedom isn't as simply as just getting rid of White oppression, but it's about building a civilization of our own to sustain ourselves.

ProfD Merely having Black people in positions doesn't benefit our people. It benefits THAT person. So it actually DOES benefit our people. Politicians are elected to serve the needs of their constituents. Politicians are elected to serve the needs of those who go them in office. Whether it's those who voted for them OR those entities who provided the money to get them into office. The job of politicians isn't to warm a seat and collect a check. They are supposed to make sure resources get to their constituents. According to the encyclopedia, yes. History has shown us past to present that Black people being in positions doesn't help our race. SOME Black people who made it to higher positions helped SOME Black people. They didn't help the "entire" race. Who has? But a lot of our people have been helped by those who used their position closer to "massa" to secure benefits for themselves and their loved ones. You can't save EVERYBODY. It was a house n8gglet who sold out Nat Turner. He got that brotha killed. My question for you is what is the alternative? For EVERY slave to be a "field nigga" until they all decide to revolt? It's human nature for people to seek a path to better themselves and make life easier for themselves and their families. Even at the expense of others.

ProfD Sure. They understand money attracts women. No need to chase them. 1. Money doesn't attract all women. Why do you think so many women are with broke ass boyfriends and husbands??? 2. Having money doesn't necessarily make you attractive. Plenty of wealthy men are alone or complain about being lonely and have to "fly" women from other countries in to be with them despite their wealth. Money is a factor for sure, but not the biggest one generally speaking. Society isn't producing incels. These dudes are too lazy to put in the work required to get women. They want to be accepted *as is* like a used car. I have to differ on that one. I've heard from more and more young men...including many young Black men now...complain about how the women aren't cooperating or find them interesting. Not MOST, but a lot...and the number has grown. Like Autism cases. They are still in the minority, but their numbers are growing every year. So how long will it be before HALF of the children in America are born with Autism if the problem isn't solved? Same with incels. Something is "off" in society where healthy young men are having a hard time finding sexual partners. It's often the nice "moral" ones too. A lot of the criminals, drug addicts, and some other dysfunctional people seem to have a very active sex life....lol. OK. Nobody is bringing in that kinda money using their own body for s8x. But they are when they use OTHER people's bodies. Whether it's for sex, or just to look at and admire. AfroAmericans are voluntary members of the alphabet soup community. They were not forced into it. Neely Fuller Jr. would question whether or not ANY of our actions under this system is actually "voluntary". Look who RAISED us. If you were born and raised and indoctrinated to accept that LGBTQIA agenda and constantly told you should not only accept it but PARTICIPATE in it...over and over again....do you think your participation should be considered "voluntary"??? There's a difference between looking at someone s8xually and objectifying them. What's the difference? I don't believe anybody here is telling people what they can and cannot do with their bodies It's implied when you ask a person how would you like it if their mother or daughter engaged in that same behavior. It's a question DESIGNED to put you "on the spot" and pull on your emotions. Ofcourse the average man doesn't want to sit up and think about that. Should a man think of his own mother or daughter before he approaches a woman for sex, too? Again, how far do we want to go applying the "what if that were YOUR mother" standard to women? the DMV doesn't have nearly as many dudes in the alphabet soup community as ATL. That's not saying too much, lol. Reminds me of people in Cleveland who -if you point out how raggedy the city, their only come back is, "Well, atleast we ain't Detroit!" ...lol.

Unlike the 70s and 80s, many of the barbershops today are so unprofessional. A lot of these younger cats aren't even going to barber school and don't have a license to cut. They grow up "fading" in their basement and now they have a boy who's got a shop and come in to work for him. They don't know about sanitizing their products. They don't know how to use a razor (to shave people with). They don't know how to give people facials or how to apply relaxer to the hair. They don't know how to remove ingrown hairs. All of this stuff was (and probably still is) learned in Barber school. Back in the OLD old days, barbering itself was taught in some highschools in Detroit. You go into some of these shops and they got pornography playing on television, the barbers are smoking weed and cussing, and they don't even have a barber chair. Just any old type of chair and a stool behind it. Not a place to bring your family to.

Troy If the Borther or sista is useless what difference does it make. But he's NOT "useless". As I said before, as long as they aren't directly or actively harming our people then just being in that seat alone is useful. Look at them occupying that position as one less Black man/woman on welfare or on the streets. If the overseer is another enslaved Black man does that help? It's a step up. Would it be better for them ALL to be slaves and at the bottom? Would that be more "honorable" in your opinion? Atleast a Black overseer will have a little more access to the Big House and could potentially be of help. Does having Clarence Thomas on the Supreme court help? No. But he actually HARMS Black people by supporting anti-Black policies.

Troy It is a perfectly fair question, How is it fair if you PERSONALIZE a general question like that? We all know that experiences that involve loved ones often establishes a conflict of interest when it comes to people exposing the truth. This is why husbands and wives generally aren't called to testify against eachother in court. Should a judge no longer sentence people to prison because HIS son may end up there? as it reveals a level of hypocrisy... Don't you think? Yes. Among those who CLAIM not to be religious and be open minded, but turn around and impose THEIR OWN sexual hang-ups and reservations on others without anything to back it up besides their emotions. Obviously, it would be impossible for me to have an opinion on the matter. Philosophically, you could. I don't have a problem a married couple procreating of rolling around in the hay for kicks -- including my mom. Why do they have to be "married"? Nature designed most people to have sex just fine without a wedding ring on their fingers..lol. Where did you get that from? Seems like you would have run out of straw by now LOL! Because it seems that you take objection to women being strippers as if it's some sort of "bad" thing, other than her own personal choice to make a living. If I'm wrong, and you have no problem with it....my apologies. the DMV, like @ProfD (where there are plenty of sistas) I've been to the DMV a few times. And from the looks of things.....not ALL of them "sistas" were real sistas..lol.

ProfD Bill Cosby wasn't using his wealth to get at those women if he was slipping mickeys in their drinks. To a certain extent he did, however my point was that it depends on the wealthy man. SOME wealthy men actually do have sex as an "end goal" or "major goal" in their lives. That majority of men have no problems attracting women. The vast majority of men have no problem attracting A woman or maybe a FEW women, but are they attracting the women they WANT to attract? I'd say a large percentage...probably 50%...aren't. They tend to settle with who they can get. It is the handful of INCELS who are complaining about their lack of s8xual access. Perhaps, but I think the percentage of incels in this society is growing...for various reasons. Sure there is usually something wrong with THEM; however if society is PRODUCING more and more incels....then something is wrong with THAT SOCIETY too. Nature didn't produce men to be involuntarily celibate. You have a few freaks of nature here and there, but if it gets to the point where nearly 20% or more of the men can't find women willing to have sex with them and that number is GROWING...something is seriously wrong in the system itself to be producing such men (or women who for some reason don't want the men in their society) It's like the growing cases of Autism. What's producing it??? We may be communicating from different planes. Tell me how you define wealth in terms of net worth. To me wealth is having a lot of money AND power and influence to go with it. In today's economy, I would say who we would call a "wealthy" person STARTS with having atleast $50 million in liquid assets. And another $100 million tied up in investments, property, etc... But he also has lawyers on retainer, knows judges and doctors personally, and can PROTECT his money as well as generate more. That's different from an individual becoming a multimillion or billionaire selling themselves s8xually. True. However MY point is that SEX SELLS. It doesn't matter whether you're selling YOUR sexuality or someone else's. It really depends on individual circumstances. Humans can rationalize almost anything under certain conditions. True. But most intelligent people tend to AVOID ending up in those "certain conditions" in the first place to where they have to make desperate choices. I've known quite a few drug addicts since their childhood, and I can say that the majority of them were mentally deficient even as youth, which made them easily "turned out" to end up in that situation. I do not foresee AfroAmericans turning against the acceptance of and participation in the alphabet soup aspect of American culture anytime soon. What concerns me is if it only took a couple generations to get AfroAmerican to accept the LGBTQ agenda, WHAT ELSE will so easily be forced on AfroAmericans to accept? It is easy for people to look at other folks as objects when it doesn't hit home. But is looking at a woman in a sexual manner the same as considering her an "object"? And if a woman looks at a man the same way, is that a bad thing too? If that's the case, are our fathers wrong for "objectifying" our mothers so that WE were conceived? How far do we want to take this? To me, allowing people the right to choose and do what they want to do is the noble thing. Not telling women they CAN'T be sex workers or telling men they CAN'T pay. Regardless of how a person chooses to live, they are still a human being first and foremost Absolute facts.

ProfD What did Mayor Adams do with that inch of power specifically to help Black folks? Just like Obama. Simply occupying that position as Mayor of the largest city in America is beneficial because it gives us...especially the children... an IMAGE to look up to and strive for. Also, as an AfroAmerican mayor even if he doesn't do things JUST for us specifically....he's much less likely to TARGET us nefariously. I can't say the same for White, Asian, and non-Black Latino mayors. If Black folks are going to put in the work striving to be 2nd, they might as well go the extra mile for 1st 1st spot doesn't simply come by effort, it comes by FORCE. In other words.... They aren't going to just step down and GIVE us the number 1 spot simply because of hard work and going that extra mile. The Bible says "the violent take it by force" Getting to be 1st place usually come by a combination of effort, intelligence, and assertiveness.

You have no idea how much money you save being YOUR OWN barber. Especially nowadays. I remember when haircuts were only $10 INCLUDING the tip. Some of these niggaz are charging you $25 and $30 a cut PLUS they expect a tip and don't even sanitize their products! Go to some of these clowns and leave with a case of ringworms in the scalp.

ProfD If internally means without guilt or fear of eternal d8mnation...correct. Your understanding was correct also. But if you look at things from the other end. In a "seemingly" hopeless situation, you would absolutely not have any hope since you don't believe in anyone or anything to pray to for help.

ProfD More access to s8x is not the end goal for wealthy men. It depends on the man. Wasn't Bill Cosby wealthy at the time he was allegedly slipping mickeys in the drinks of women to have sex with them? That's a broke man's mentality. Rich and wealthy men instinctively know they will have more s8xual access. You know, there IS a "middle ground" between being broke and rich/wealthy. The vast majority of men fall inside this category. They may be earning a living but definitely not building wealth. If not, perhaps this is a result of poor choices. Because sex definitely sells and unless you're a victim of human trafficking....you're getting enough money to invest and generate wealth. There is not an individual multimillionaire or billionaire who made their fortune selling themselves s8xually. No, but there are PLENTY of multimillionaires and probably some billionaires who made their fortune by selling OTHERS sexually. Again, people will do all types of sh8t for money. It has little or nothing to do with intelligence or lack thereof. Most intelligent people would weigh the consequences of doing certain things against the money they receive for it. Like we often talk about the Arab men and how it would be hard to find one to put on a dress and play a sissy. You can pay him as much as you want, but he'd be so fearful for his life and the consequences that would come from OTHER Arab men for him doing that....no amount of money would sway him. Troy Would you feel differently if it was your mother or daughter, twirling around naked on a pole and turning tricks in the champagne room? Come on man, you know that's not a fair question because most people will treat their own family different than they treat perfect strangers. That's like asking a person who believes women should have a right to abortions, "How would you feel if your mother had aborted YOU?" Who wants to THINK about their mother or daughter stripping, or having sex? Although if your mother didn't have sex you wouldn't be here...lol...but who THINKS about that??? So that's not a fair question, IMO. However to answer it..... It would be whatever they WANT and CHOOSE to do. They are adults. As adults, it's about what THEY want to do...not what I WANT them or DON'T want them to do. You talk about women being equals. And I agree. So why do you all of a sudden want to be chauvinistic and "protective" when it comes to women in the sex industry?

ProfD Mayor Eric Adams is not exempt from being beholden to wealthy powerful folks too. True; but atleast he's one of "ours". I'd rather have one of ours in that seat than another race or ethnicity. An inch of power is better than NO power. I've mentioned this many times before. If White folks INSIST on being first in this nation and there's little we can do about it, we should atleast strive to be 2nd. Don't sit up and let Indians, Asians, and Latinos take THAT spot too and end up on the bottom.

ProfD On a personal note, I had nice hair and kept a fresh temple taper fade back in the day. As soon as my hair started social distancing on my scalp, I cut it all off. I've been bald for 3 decades and counting. I have no idea of how i would look with hair on my head. I'll never know because I shave every day. That's dedication....lol. You must have tough skin. Shaving every single day can be rough on the skin. 3 decades? You aren't 60 yet. You started going bald in your 20s?

umbrarchist What is the meaning of the word SHEOL? How often do Christians mention that? According to post-Babylonian Judaic Doctrine, Sheol (commonly translated as "hell" in English in the Old Testament of the Bible) is the place where souls go to rest and await Judgement. Most Christians don't mention it because most of them don't know about it. And even many if not most of the ones who DO, don't have a proper understanding of it. If God created the universe then didn't he have to know Einsteinian physics long before Einstein figured it out? I'm not atheist, so I believe in THE SUPREME BEING Who knows everything. Literally EVERYTHING. Including things we as humans can't even conceive. What people are calling "Einsteinian physics" is almost nothing by comparison. {7:1} For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; {7:2} To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; {7:3} Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. Salem was the name of Jeru-SALEM before the Israelites conquered and took control of it. It was built by Canaanite and named after one of their Deities "Salem" Speaking of which..... When you read "Sons of God" in the Old Testament, that word is "Beni Elohim" = Sons of Gods (plural) Taken literally, this would mean that Melchizedek is an eternal being We are all "eternal beings". Not just Melchizedek but all humans, because although the body may die....the soul never dies. ProfD Liberated. Free to live and do whatever I want without any type of conviction or judgment. Lol...internally, right?? Only in the form of whatever works we leave behind. Interesting.... The Nation of Islam has similar beliefs. What about children? Do you believe people "live" on through their progeny? Ever since I was a kid, my question has always been how was the Supreme Being created. I could be wrong, but it is my understanding that THE SUPREME BEING wasn't created. THE SUPREME BEING always existed...no beginning.

But the Bible thumping Christian would ask: You're telling me you're more concerned with THAT....than where you'll spend "eternity"?????

No, this isn't a thread about our late and beloved brother D'Angelo; may he find peace and happiness.... I hope some of yall didn't bring yall asses up in here expecting to see a brother with a 6 pack and corn-rows grinning at you and licking his lips....lol. I have questions for our brothers @ProfD and @umbrarchist and any others who consider themselves agnostic. I often wonder what goes through the minds of people who live in this world without acknowledging a Higher power. How do they feel as they go through this life? When you are met with tragedy in your life....tragedy so serious you don't see a solution for....how do you deal with it? I'm presuming you don't pray because you're not sure who to pray to or if prayer is worth it? Do any of you believe that you'll continue to exist after physically dying? How do you feel about suicide? Do you think it's ever justified; like say....if a person is suffering without much chance of getting better? Do you believe there are forms of life and intelligence in this Universe superior to human beings? These are questions I often ask atheists and agnostics both online and in real life.

Yes I know the difference between an agnostic and an atheist. Just curious as to where you stood right now.