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Daniel English translation Lol...so according to this logic..."bread" and "soap" and other things with English names didn't exist UNTIL the English language existed to name them. Troy The problem isn't with defining race, the problem is with the ignorance and confusion of the people. The planet is round whether ignorant people think it is or not. Ignorance and confusion doesn't affect the existence of something. Irish people weren’t even considered equal to the whites man. Great example of the ignorance and confusion of the people. Again, just cause they BELIEVED that people who looked like this: ....for some reason weren't considered "white", it doesn't mean they were correct. It just shows you how silly and ignorant they were.

An excerpt of The Last Sermon Of Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h.) "All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a White has no superiority over a Black nor a Black has any superiority over a White except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly." This sermon was delivered on the Ninth day of Dhul-Hijjah, 10 A.H. ( 623AD) in the Uranah valley of Mount Arafat in Mecca. https://www.iium.edu.my/deed/articles/thelastsermon.html 🤔 If there were no White people 700 years ago, who was he referring to in his Sermon back in the year 632?

Daniel How one is treated regarding “race” depends on the culture one is in. True. However this doesn't negate any points that I've made regarding the reality of race in this society. Since you are in THIS culture, do you think simply CALLING yourself "white" will afford you all of the benefits and priviledges that come with actually BEING categorized as White in this society? Will you be invited to special "white only" meetings....and be granted an opportunity to actually sit down with "The white man" himself ? The White Man (himself) "Hey there. Go ahead and have a seat buddy. Give me a couple minutes while I finish this report for our operations in Belarus"

They don't ride around in the back of trucks with weapons in Portland or Seattle. That's not what they consider fun. They simply riot every night as soon as the sun goes down. I've heard they finally got a contract with that entertainment network called "Fox News". Their job is to put on a big show everynight while holding up "BLM" banners to give Fox News something to talk about and fill up half their 24 hour time slot. "So guys....what time are you guys gonna let me out ? I have to be at Starbucks in the morning for a zoom meeting with our clients in Australia"

Daniel Yes I can say I am From Tunisa I said call yourself "white" AND BE TREATED as such...lol. As long as you have the ability to speak you can call yourself whatever race you like...but will society TREAT you like a White man? Will you get the secret badge that allows you identify as a bonafide "White man"? Will you get the special packets in the mail with coupons that allow you to purchase property for only 10% of the going price? Will you be given the maps and access to secret underground supermarkets that sell fresh high quality foods? Will you be given the monthly stipend of $10,000 spending money? Will you be given special pills that allow you to eat ice cream and other dairy products at an old age without an upset stomach? ...and the many other privileges that come with being White, lol.

Lol..... As rough as Chicago and L.A. may be, I don't know of any parts of those cities where gangs of young men can ride around in the back of pick-up trucks openly displaying weapons and ammo so brazenly. I've seen it on television and depicted in, but not in real life.

Daniel If race is an artificial construction....can you change yours, call yourself "white", and be treated as such from now on?

We're talking genetics and phenotype, not love and social allegiances.

Afro I'd have to actually SEE the person in order to determine which race I would categorize them in. Especially since you said: this person is actually racially ambiguous themselves. and it goes a bit further than just being "light skinned" ...they look another race altogether. For me, race is PHENOTYPICAL (based on how you look) and backed up by genetics. In other words if you LOOK like a Caucasian, you're going to most likely be classified as a Caucasian in my opinion. And if you LOOK like a Mulatto (African and Caucasian mix) you're going to be classified as a Mulatto in my opinion as opposed to simply being called "Black". You can't simply go by what their parents, or grand parents, or any other ancestor was. Scientists say ALL people evolved from the Black race, so if you use that yardstick then you'd be calling everybody "Black"....lol. No. In my opinion you are the race YOU are...not necessarily your Ancestors. A good example is Maya Rudolph: Now in my opinion she's a Caucasian woman. I don't even call her Mulatto despite having an African mother and Caucasian father. Because she doesn't even LOOK Mulatto, she looks like a Caucasian with some traces of African ancestry. Like I said, her mother is African, but for whatever reason her Caucasian ancestry dominated. And in my opinion that's what she is...racially...Caucasian with traces of African ancestry. No different than your average Italian.

Now look at this foolishness: 🙄 Way down in Jamaica you have MORE Negroes fighting and tussling with eachother over religious doctrine and how it should be interpreted. Who's a whore and who's not. Who should wear make-up and who should not. Black men all dressed up in suits with nothing better to do than meet up, grab microphones, and challenge eachother over something NEITHER of them wrote but was written thousands of years before each of them were born. How many of them are building housing for the homeless of Jamaica? How many of them are building farms and growing food to feed the hungry of Jamaica? How many are building hospitals and medical laboratories to help heal the sick in Jamaica? How many are out securing the streets of Jamaica from the criminals and drug cartels that rule so much of that island? All of the problems Jamaica has, and these characters feel that the most productive thing to do at the time is dress up in suits and spray on cologne and pile up on a stage together like a bunch of spiders just to tangle up and fight until they tumble off the stage.

Maybe. But if they were part of a military they would most likely have the same military uniforms and be riding military vehicles. They may be part of a militia or even just a gang. Either way, I'd bet money they are looking for other people to kill who are just as poor and just as Black as they are. And I'm sure they have a religion they CLAIM is the "right one" that they use to build their confidence and justify what they do. Such is the case with so many of our people all around the continent and all around the world. Those men are probably hardened from battle. But take away their weapons and put hammers, saws, and shovels in their hands and demand they do some actual WORK towards building up the same villages they helped destroy....and you'd probably see them cry like little babies. "Why can't they find somebody else to do all of that???"

Chev Again, I would not make blatant statements to discredit your belief in Islam What "beliefs in Islam"? Did I say I was a Muslim, Hindu, or any other religion? or make 'fun' about your religion Lol....again, what "religion" did I say I belonged to? I thought I said numerous times that I believe in The SUPREME BEING...not an official religion. Again, I appreciate you much, and I think even a discussion about religion or religious history can be good, but it should be based on some type of respectful guidelines. One of the problems with discussing religion WITH a religious person is when you SINCERELY believe in a particular religion (as you clearly do) it's hard for you to discuss it from an objective point of view. Your objective is to DEFEND your religion. So as soon as an aspect of it is shown to be incorrect or questionable, instead of considering this to be true...as you said you instead get defensive and set out to try and RECONCILE the inaccuracies or dismiss them altogether as non-existent....instead of acknowledging them. Your love and defense of that which you find dear to your heart FORCES you not to recognize any errors that may be pointed out in the course of the discussion. And soon, if the discussion progresses....you begin to attack the very SOURCE/PERSON who's pointing out those inaccuracies! We can discuss and even debate food all day long. I can point out something that may be bad or dangerous about your favorite food and instead of getting upset you might believe it and even THANK me for giving you that important information! "Say whaaaat......" But if I do the same thing in regard to your favorite RELIGION...you're ready to go to war, lol.

When you look at what's going on in places like Burkina Faso, Niger, Sudan, ect...you see Muslims and Christians fighting and killing eachother. You also see Muslims and Christians fighting and killing among themselves, because what I've noticed is that even when you establish a SINGLE solid religion in the land....after a while people become "bored" and start fighting eachother over HOW to interpret and practice that religion. I'm starting to believe that these religions are doing exactly as they were designed to do...DIVIDE our people. Keep them squabbling and fighting with eachother like an unstable household, so that you're too busy trying to survive to do anything else. Look at this young men piled up on the back of a pick-up truck with all of their equipment just riding around LOOKING for someone to shoot. What productive services are they offering? Are they building a house for the thousands of displaced women and children of their nation? Are they growing food for the thousands of hungry people of their nation? Are they headed to the laboratory to come up with a cure for the diseases that afflict those in their nation? Do they even WANT to do these things? Or do they want to do EXACTLY what they're doing right now...ride around looking for someone to shoot?

Neely Fuller Jr. has said for years that it's against the anti-racist code to argue or criticize the religious beliefs of other Black people because it leads to more confusion and division, but I often engage in it anyway because I like debating religion and history. It's like a person who eats food out of boredom. You know it's not very healthy but you do it anyway because it gives you something to do and feels good...lol Well, it's the same when it comes to debating religion and history.... When there's nothing else to talk about and you enjoy the challenge and social interaction that comes from opposite exchanges....debating religion provides an excellent outlet! But as I've gotten older I realize the bad of this often outweighs the good. In certain African countries Black people are killing eachother up by the scores and sometimes by the hundreds over religious disagreements.

Chev You are very disrespectful and know that I did not state this at all. I already know THE definition of respect but I would ask you YOUR definition of respect...if I thought it would help. But something tells me it won't, so why bother. I definitely appreciate you in previous exchanges when you replied or we exchanged comments on these topics when it is respectful. But, when this type of thread topic is posted by Harry and no other avenue is made to dialogue with him, it seems as if this is some type of move to incite, imo. Nevertheless, this is an ancient repetitive process though especially when it comes to Christians and Christianity. Chev I believe you're a good person but you are also a RELIGIOUS person; and like most religious people you become hostile and feel threatened when your beliefs are challenged. Religion is doing exactly as it was intended to do -divide people. And make them hostile toward eachother. Although the challenge has been fun, I'm seriously thinking about not responding to you over any religious issue again. I haven't made the decision YET. But I'm seriously thinking about not engaging in any conversation or even giving you a response when it comes to any comment you make about religion because it's proving to be not only fruitless but damaging.

Chev but you just want to be right no matter what. I definitely want to be ACCURATE. Accuracy is one of the keys to solving problems, and if you aren't accurate and go around portraying things as you would LIKE for them to be instead of as they ACTUALLY are I don't think it's going to be very effective in solving problems. As far as the other things you said, well.... There's no sense in going back and forth with you over the definition of "ruddy" or even the definition of "definition". What I posted was clear and obvious and either you accept the information I provided or you reject it. I'm moving on.

Gretchen Hello, and welcome to the site. I haven't lived in Indiana but I'm from Michigan and used to drive through it quite a bit on my way to Chicago. The state is racist as hell. And the further South (away from Chicago and Gary) you go the more racist and redneck it seems to become. I remember driving through some part of Indiana on my way back home from Colorado and I stopped in some town and saw the most Conservative plaid-shirt wearing "straight out of Happy Days" looking people I ever saw East of the Mississippi river...lol. The narrator of the audiobook is WHITE. That is a big deal to me. I don’t think Richard Wright would appreciate that. I couldn’t even listen to it. It just sounds..wrong. I wish I knew who chose him, I wish I knew how to rally to get that changed. It’s disrespectful as hell Is there not more than one narrator for that book? You can correct me if I'm wrong but I thought audiobook was just the recorded verbal reading of a book....not an OFFICIAL publication. I would think a book like that would have several recordings of different people of different races reading it, including Africans.

Another Black man beaten to death by a pack of racists. Unfortunately this is not new. Infact, I think they are showing it more and more to "normalize" it in the psyche of the public to TRY and get then used to it. As far as the situation in the so-called Middle East............. That land belongs to neither the Israeli people NOR the Filusteeni people. Both groups are migrants who migrated to that land in different periods of time to occupy it. There were many others who did so also, like Greeks, Turks, Romans, ect... The ORIGINAL people of that land were a Black people called the Kena'ani people, and many of them STILL live on that land in various pockets. The Bible records them as "Canaanites" and talks about the Israelites coming into their land, slaughtering them, and occupying it.

Chev You've presented no reference at all. I presented the Septuagint which you admit was written by Greeks, who were Caucasian. This is what you believe, yet you've presented nothing about Black 'ancient' contributions to script. Because that's not the subject of the discussion. The discussion is about Caucasians writing the Bible, and that's what my focus was and is on. No, it's not "made up", that is a legal term. imo, you should not be allowed to attack 'Black Christians' and again, this is my opinion. Perhaps your definition of "attack" is skewed. Please give us THE definition of "attack". Or perhaps you're confusing "attack" with "critique" and criticism in general. Of course, you respond to a thread that attacks BLACK CHRISTIANS I saw nothing that Harry wrote (in this thread atleast) that "attacks" Black Christians or anyone else. If there was an attack...please point it out. I say this while I await your presentation of THE definition of "attack". But, no one should be attacked and that is the gist of this initial thread. Could YOUR accusations against us be considered an "attack"? If a person criticizes a book, or an ideology -and someone comes along and criticizes and even starts name calling THAT PERSON doing the critique.....could that be considered an unwarranted attack?

Chev I put the reference and you have blatantly ignored it. You didn't post the rest of the DEFINITIONS, you posted the ETYMOLOGY. There is a difference between a word's DEFINITION and a words ETYMOLOGY. This very topic was my thesis in college. Well if you went to college you should know the difference between a DEFINITION and it's ETYMOLOGY...lol. Part of the confusion surrounding the word “ruddy” is that what is being taught has it’s origins in British Israelism. And part of YOUR confusion around the word "ruddy" is the fact that you don't want to accept it's actual definition. You don't want to accept the fact that it means reddish and blushing. You want to concoct YOUR OWN definition of it to fit your narrative of making Solomon and the other positive figures of the Bible as Black/Brown folks. This is a Strong's Hebrew Lexicon Search Results for the word Adam: I should have posted those results at the beginning of our conversation. Strong's expert research on the meanings of Hebrew and Greek words makes it CLEAR that ruddy is the same to to make red or "blush" and it's also the same as the word Adam. Ruddy = to become red = blush =Adam

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No And the fact that you even asked this question tells me you ALREADY know that answer to it and are just asking conversational purposes only, lol.

Alice First of all, if you're going around calling yourself "Alice" you don't have tell most people that you're white...lol. Second, you said: "I was wanting to bring back my beloved dreads, but my sister insists that white people can't have dreads and that I will offend people. I've tried to look up the topic and it seems very divided. I don't want to be disrespectful, but I truly love dreads. What's everyone's opinion?" Based on what you've just written, I sense a problem that you may have that's DEEPER than how you'd like to style your hair. You just said you wore locks for YEARS and got nothing but positive reception from the Black community. Infact, you even said it was a Black man and woman who DID you locks in the first place! .....yet you would disregard all of that positive PERSONAL EXPERIENCE and instead seek the OPINION of others, which often times is not only wrong but tends to be all over the map of confusion. Well Alice...you may not WANT to be disrespectful but you are. You are disrespecting YOURSELF. Because you're placing more value on the opinions of OTHERS than on YOUR own direct experiences.

Afro i am assuming you are a black hetero male? Yes sir, I'm a heterosexual AfroAmerican. Sorry if that's disappointing...lol what type of skin tone would u say he has? He is what we would call "brown skinned". Like this brother: Not light skinned or dark skinned but in the middle.

Hey Troy this happened in your current neck of the woods............... BLACK MAN CHARGED WITH MURDER AFTER SHOOTING WHITE BURGLAR IN OKLAHOMA A report from the Atlanta Black Star confirms that a veteran and father of five is set for trial for first-degree murder after he fatally shot a burglar trying to break into his marijuana business. 34-year-old LaRue Bratcher fatally shot 42-year-old Daniel Hardwick back in May 2020 after Hardwick attempted to break into Bratcher’s grow operation for the second consecutive night in a row. “He was trying to break in when the business owner, who was inside the business at the time, apparently opened fire with a handgun, striking and killing the man who was breaking in,” according to Master Sergeant Gary Knight. Bratcher called 911 after the attempted robbery, but the police checked in with the Oklahoma Medical Marijuana Authority and found out that Bratcher’s license was expired. This not only got Bratcher charged with growing marijuana without a license, but the district attorney came back and decided to charge Bratcher with first-degree murder. Even though Bratcher acted in self defense, the district attorney argues that Bratcher’s actions were felonious because his marijuana license had expired. The Oklahoma Medical Marijuana Authority recently changed its policy to allow cardholders to use their expired license while waiting for a new card to arrive. Bratcher remains in jail until his trial is set to begin later this month. TheSource.com will update this story as it develops. Black Man Charged With Murder After Shooting White Burglar In Oklahoma (thesource.com)