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Yeah...... I forgot about that charge of racism he leveled at some company. Was it a liquor company? I thought it was something else. I could easily look this shit up but for the sake of internet conversation, I like to ask my brother online...lol.

ProfD Middle East. Scandavia. ???? Are you sure most of the people in those regions don't have to work for a living??? This is the first time I'm hearing this bro, lol. The operative phrase is they don't have to work in order to meet basic needs. In the Middle East, I'm not sure about that. I think most of them have to work longer and harder than they do in the United States...lol. In Scandanavia, they have an extensive welfare system so...no many people...a large percentage...don't HAVE to work to have their basic needs met. They will be able to get SOME food, clothing, and shelter. However: 1. That's not the majority, only a certain percentage of them could live off the system like that 2. If the MAJORITY tried to live off the system like that, it would eventually collapse, and pretty quickly because not enough people would be working to support it. Foreigners are allowed to do jobs the citizens may not feel like doing because they don't have to work. Foreigners aren't simply ALLOWED to do those jobs, they are NEEDED to do those jobs...lol. The foreigners get to come and work to make money for themselves and their families back home. Just like here in the US. Yes, I understand. The government requests for them to come to keep the economy going. As jobs are being phased out by technology, the US will have to come up with a UBI (Universal Basic Income). Glorified welfare. Yeah, we'll see how that one pans out...lol. The UBI will allow humans to consume at a certain level. They will have to find some kind of work to make extra money. What they DON'T tell you about UBI is who will and won't QUALIFY for it! It's not like EVERYBODY will be eligible for UBI. They may start off with everyone being included but soon they'll start excluding segments of society like felons, people who owe child support, students, ect. Which will force people to engage in more underground and illegal activity, which will give them more excuses to lock people up. And ofcourse those who are already incarcerated will probably be excluded and will be FORCED to work...and they will make up a larger and larger percentage of the population. Many stores are going to self-checkout. And look how "convenient" that has become...lol. Now that they've gotten rid of most of the cashiers and got all of those self-checkout lanes, they need 2 or 3 attendants to manage ONE self-check out machine because of so many errors and mistakes made either by the machine or the customer. Also they've had to hire more fraud and loss prevention associates. Folks pump their own gas in most states. No cashier or attendant. Drive up at 3 a.m. Pay at the pump and gas up and go. True. No more full service at the pump. But it's been replaced by whole convenience stores inside the gas station itself...lol. And ofcourse you have 10 or 12 people working inside these gas stations selling food, beer, lottery tickets, etc... Everything EXCEPT a damn map....lol The work week will be reduced. Unemployment as we know it will be different too. I've heard them kick around the idea of reducing the work week. Again, as is the case with the UBI....this is directed at MIDDLE CLASS PROFESSIONALS. THEIR work week may be shortened. But those driving trucks, flipping burgers, factory workers and police officers aren't going to see a shorter week but probably MANDATORY OVERTIME more and more.

I don't know if Puffy (I don't call him "Diddy"...sounds too much like titty...lol) is guilty of everything or even most of what he's being accused of, however I don't like this. I always thought the IMAGE Puffy put out was a pretty good role model for Black youth. Always clean, well dressed, successful. Plenty of women. Flashy...which is what most of us like Keen on the streets. And he didn't LOOK LIKE he got it from selling dope or doing anything illegal but from wheeling and dealing in the music industry. The Bad Boy brand and image was and still is a power to be reconned with. But these charges and accusations.....man. For one thing, it looks suspicious to me how he seems to be getting hit with one thing right after another. It's not like all of the legal problems are happening at once. Or spread out every 5 years. It's like they hit him with one thing....he manages to get out of it.....so they throw something else at him...he get clear of that.....then they try something else. Or they'll dig up something from 20 years ago to throw at him. Whatever we can find to stick....let's throw it. Let's accuse him of having freak parties with TD Jakes Let's accuse him of sexually harassing some dude in the studio. Now let's get him on something else. And it also seems as if the racists take the temperature of Black America to see what they will or will not tolerate and when the "time is right" they go after the celebrities like Cosby or Puffy. Also, with all of those illegals they're letting in at the border down there but they aren't sending the Feds after THEM. Again, I'm not sure if he's guilty of what they're accusing him of whether it's law enforcement or rumors in the entertainment industry. But I don't like how it looks. If people can learn anything from this, they can learn that all of this talk about "color don't matter all that matters is green" garbage is just bullshit. Racism trumps money. Look at Bill Cosby and all the "green" he had. It didn't keep him out of jail though. Nor did it keep O.J. out.

The only good thing about the mainstream media NOT highlighting successful Black communities and their frequent achievements is that it offers less of a chance that racists not familiar with a given community won't know about, get jealous, and try to attack it in multiple ways. Other than that.......... It's our responsibility to establish our own media in ever community we operate from television to radio to internet channels and service to news papers. 100 years ago nearly every Black community in the U.S. had it's own news paper and even Black SCHOOLS had their own little news papers with editors and sellers! So many of our people got lazy after integration. Every major metropolitan area in the United States should have atleast one independent AfroAmerican television channel. Places like Chicago, Detroit, and Atlanta should have 3 or 4!

ProfD Don't need a paycheck as long as basic needs are met. True. What modern society functions like this, though? What nation can we point to as an example where the majority of people (not a wealthy few) are getting their basic needs met without working for pay? Sure. They've imported them the same way white folks allow immigrants to work here. See...there you go. They need workers so they are IMPORTING immigrants to do the menial and manual labor jobs. Now how do you think that will work out in the United States? Especially for AfroAmericans? That's by design especially in capitalistic systems. Well, show me a nation with a system Socialist, Communist, or otherwise where most of the people of that nation DON'T have to work for a living. It may be ideal, but I'd like a living example to KNOW it works. The economy is predicated on people spending money. Doesn't matter how they get it. Part of it. The other part is producing goods and services for people to spend that money on. Even if everything is manufactured OUTSIDE the U.S., someone still has to drive the trucks to move the goods, open up the stores to sell them, and operate the gas station to fuel the cars and trucks that move them. A whole lot more than 2.8 million people live beyond comfortably well with less than $10 million I agree.

ProfD Black folks didn't benefit from the New Deal nearly as much as white folks if at all. What DO our people benefit as much as White folks from in this nation? Take your pick of the institutions: Healthcare? Law enforcenment? Real Estate? Education? One thing is for sure, if Roosevelt DIDN'T enact the New Deal, Black folks wouldn't have benefited AT ALL from it and would still be living in the squalid conditions so many were living in before it. A whole lot of older Black men are enjoying that Social Security check to trick off on young ladies, liquor, and Cadillacs, thanks to Franklin Roosevelt POTUS Lincoln didn't free the slaves and plunge America into a Civil War because he loved Black folks True. However we benefited from it regardless of his intent. Whatever FDR did to help AfroAmericans economically wasn't enough to build wealth. Actually, it did help more AfroAmericans achieve YOUR DEFINITION of what it means to be "rich"...lol.

frankster True....but the US is not the only so called first world power that has problem with Migrants and Drugs I told you, in the U.S. it's not a "problem" for those who orchestrate it. It's a strategy. It's like saying the U.S. has a "crime problem". It's a problem for the VICTIMS but not for those who orchestrate and benefit from it. ProfD Africans are afraid and wary of us because they have been fed a narrative that AfroAmericans are lazy, ignorant, violent, drug abusers, etc. Unfortunately, AfroAmericans have no control over the propaganda that goes out into the world about us. Much of it comes not only from what they hear from White folks who go to Africa but from what they SEE when they come to the United States. They don't have to watch the news to realize that there is dysfunction in the AfroAmerican community; all they have to do is go to nearly any major city and SEE it live and in flesh. We have SOME control over it by improving ourselves as a community as well as taking ownership of major media depictions of us around the planet. I've toured my African brothers and sisters through the streets on which I grew up to where I live in the cradle of AfroAmerican affluence. Education is priceless. It is a key to shared understanding and eliminating ignorance. And this is what's needed on a larger scale. Not only do we have to clean up the dysfunction of our community but we have to produce and control OUR OWN narratives and what the rest of the world sees of us. Both are necessary.

ProfD As I mentioned above, work becomes an avocation. The people are still doing those jobs. They just aren't what we define as low income or poor. They can afford to work for free. For how long? How long you can go without a pay check also defines your socio-economic class. What I've heard and read is that many if not most of these menial and service industry jobs are being performed by FOREIGN IMMIGRANTS from places like the Phillipines, Ethiopia, and Bangladesh. The Saudis or the Arab families of Dubai themselves may be rich, but they aren't the ones slinging the hamburgers and mopping the floors in the country. It's false to believe that people have to be low income or poor or have a carrot dangled in front of them to work. You think it's false? I think it's human nature. Most people need a good reason (like a pay check) to wake up early in the morning, punch a clock and be told what to do and yelled at from time to time....else they wouldn't do it. There is a difference between lazy and industrious people. I agree. Most people are somewhere in between and need an incentive to do most manual labor jobs. Industrious folks like to build and fix things or be of service to others. They will work regardless of money. That almost always means that their needs are being met ALREADY by other sources besides the occupation they are engaging in. Old Percy Earl can afford to come by your house and spend the day working on fixing your old central air unit because he's already retired and getting social security...lol> Most adults around the planet don't have that luxury of having their needs already met so they can engage in their favorite hobbies...lol. IOW, an adult should not have to work as a janitor in order to feed a family. Well, not necessarily as a janitor. But I do believe the economy should be structured to where most people HAVE TO get up and work to support themselves and their families. If you want to keep the economy and society strong. However, some folks enjoy cleaning up. They would be perfectly happy pushing a broom or mop around in a a luxury hotel. Get off from work and change clothes and jump into a Mercedes-Benz to to go and kick it with the family in their nice home. Sounds like an episode of "Undercover Boss" to me...lol. Depends on how one defines rich. I define rich as having all basic needs met (food, clothing, shelter, healthcare and peace). Accordingly, everybody on this on this planet can be rich. We disagree on the definition of rich. What you described, I would call "comfortable". In my opinion, in this society rich would be a worth of atleast $10 Million or above.

It was meant for us too. If it weren't they would have easily barred our people from receiving it. I think some of that is Black Republican propaganda to try to divert attention from the fact that with the arguable exception of Lincoln.....a Democrat Roosevelt did more to benefit AfroAmericans economically than any president before or since and that's why so many switched over from being Republicans in the 30s. Eleanor Roosevelt was said to be a firm proponent of Civil Rights for AfroAmericans and was a strong influence on her husband Franks policies.

Then I take it you don't believe everything is pre-determined either.

Well, it's good to see that Africans can indeed unite around something besides not liking AfroAmericans....lol.

Clearly they are 2 sides of the same coin. I'm not exactly sure how long they've been that way and when the switch happened but I do believe at one point the Democrats were sincere with their agenda. Sometime around the time of Franklin D. Roosevelt and a short time after I believe they were sincere about pushing their agenda....some good and some bad, but not as bad as the Republican agenda. A lot got done for us. By the Reagan Era, clearly the Democrat party wasn't what it was during Franklin Roosevelt's time.

ProfD Black gold aka oil has made the United Arab Emirates wealthy. The people do not have to work for a living i.e. in order to survive. Work is an avocation. There is no poverty. And I find that highly suspicious. Who is doing the construction work? Who is keeping up the infrastructure like the plumbing, sewers, stocking the grocery stores, etc.? Who is cleaning the streets? These jobs are usually done by poor and low income people. If everyone is living luxuriously, who is doing them? If African countries were allowed to fully exploit the wealth from their natural resources, they would be in a similar position as the the United Arab Emirates. Perhaps. However you will always need a working class MAJORITY to maintain a viable properly ran economy. I wouldn't sell the idea to our people (here or on the Continent) that you could build a society in which they don't have to work or do manual labor. That's selling them a dream or false hope. Wealth (passive income) is built on natural resources and/or using someone else's labor. I think proper investing can also lead to wealth, though I can't say this from personal experience yet. The city of Detroit was built on an auto industry that was owned by white folks. Their wealth was built on the labor of others. Facts. Active income through labor allowed Black folks to make just enough money to live comfortably. True. But let's not shit on it, because it's a lot better than what many if not most of our people in the U.S. have available for them today. We can shake our heads at people putting on a work uniform and "slaving" at a factory for $25 an hour. But atleast they ARE working and making money. Compare that to so many of our brothers and sisters who are in and out of jail, on the streets begging, and stuck hopping from one fast food job to another for $12 an hour. It's almost impossible to become wealthy working for someone else Yes, but you CAN make a living. Which is fair to ask for since everybody can't be rich. I'm going to say whether White folks are in charge or Black folks are in charge....the majority of our people will NOT be rich.

I haven't been to Dubai to label it a paradise....lol. I've heard a lot of nice things about it, but I'm probably going to have to visit it myself one day to see how great it really is. Many societies can put up a good front.....for a while. I also wonder how many people LIVING in Dubai have actually made their wealth IN Dubai. It may seem next to ridiculous to compare Dubai with Detroit; however Detroit used to be the city where poor Black folks from the South could come up and actually MAKE a lot of money and improve their standard of living and live nicely in the very same city. Compare that to a city where things are very expensive, manufactures very little, but features a lot of millionaires who made their money ELSEWHERE and have just decided to flock to the city like a flock of flamingos to enjoy eachother's company.

Right-wingers are good at making strawman arguments and subversive tactics to push their agendas. I mentioned this before, on this very site...years ago....so I'm not sure if you remember or were here. I said that certain Republicans had went on a convert operation to join and sabotage the Democratic Party. When Black folks dominated the Party..... or atleast had more power in it than we have today. ...like say the 60s, 70s, 80s, and early 90s..... For the most part the agenda of the Democrats were pro Civil Rights, pro Abortion rights, weapons control, and workers rights as well as an increase in wages. Sometime in the late 80s and early 90s a new breed of Democrats began pushing an LGBTQIA agenda and equating it to the Civil Rights movement and also introducing a lot of other weird ass extremist views like open borders into the agenda that most people would obviously find repulsive and lacking in common sense. I believe this was done on purpose.

Would you say much of your happiness and success was a result of "luck" or because of good decisions you've made? BTW, you don't exactly see and hear the SAME shit around you. Things change....maybe not as drastically at times...but they change every moment. Your body at 50 isn't like it was at 20. Your home isn't exactly like it was yesterday....even if your car keys are laying in a different spot.

frankster That maybe true in the case of some.....but the individuals incarcerated by DEA agents and ICE border Guards may disagree If this is the case for ANY...then it proves my point that illegal immigration and the drug trafficking are CONTROLLED and ALLOWED instead of aggressively and sincerely prosecuted. Please share those reasons? Among many others...... 1. To destabilize the AfroAmerican population. 2. To PARTIALLY and STRATEGICALLY replace the AfroAmerican population in certain areas of the nation and economy. 3. To replace much of the cheap labor force decimated by Covid. I have to admit, I DO like the idea that they want to invent their own currency. This is a step in the right direction. It really doesn't have to be recognized on the international market as long as it will buy goods and services on the African continent.

I've been going to college campuses for decades. I've lived in a huge university town for years. I've been around the internet for over 20 years ....and I PROMISE you, I hadn't even heard of this acronym or term "DEI" until this year. Now all of a sudden it's all over the internet. Every other article is featuring this acronym. Every political argument involves it. Diversity Equity Inclusion This reminds me of "CRT" or Critical Race Theory of a few years ago. Where is this shit coming from? Who's making up these terms and tossing them out for people to wrestle over? And more importantly, what do they have to do with AfroAmericans? We need to be careful and monitor new words and catch phrases being put out in society that we don't know the origins or meanings of.

frankster At Present the US is having Border Issue.....Drugs and Migrants Yes...."issue" is the right word because they aren't problems for the government. Both the drugs and immigrants are being ALLOWED to come in in controlled measures. The U.S. is MORE than capable of not only stopping the drugs but the immigrants pouring across the border as well, if they wanted to. They don't want to for reasons that are obvious to you and me. As far as the food situation in Haiti..... I'm not educated enough on it to agree or disagree with what you wrote. I've been hearing for years about the Clinton's involvement in Haiti.

Troy Several times you've mentioned "this omniscient being". Should I take that to mean you don't believe in God? Where did you learn about the NDE experiences of these people a book, YouTube? Both. I've been studying them for years. All you have to do is ASK some of the people you know who've been in traumatic situations where they've been unconscious for an extended period of time and some of them may have some experiences to share with you too! Did they also explain why people would come back to be beheaded starve to death, die in infancy, and be raped and tortured? Did they explain what these experiences would provide them? Yes. According to many of them, every experience has a reason behind it. ProfD Now I'm wondering if I should feel slighted that I've not been able to participate in the near death experience and jumping around in different realities games. How do you know you haven't? One Multi-Reality theory claims that every single move is part of a different Reality. Their theory claims you're constantly moving through BILLIONS of Realities each moment.

ProfD Gaddafi was definitely on code in how he tried to set Libya up to win. That country hasn't been right since they assassinated him. True. And actually, the same could be said about Iraq after Saddam Hussein was executed. He was called the "butcher of Baghdad" however his iron fist rulership kept down a lot of bloodshed in that nation. After he was taken out, gangs of armed factions been running that nation and warring with each other since. As mentioned in the other thread, Burkina Faso, Niger, Mali and Togo seem to be moving in that direction under young Black leadership Time will have to tell. There are a whole lot of young Black leaders all over the world...but where are they leading the people? I'm not impressed with young brothers picking up arms and talking tough and giving speeches. I've seen it so much it doesn't impress me anymore. I want to see the FOLLOW UP. Once you THINK you've kicked the White folks out, now what are your plans to make the nation BETTER than the way they had it? Will the busses and trains run on time...or will there BE NO busses or trains anymore?

Troy no I do not think most meaning more than 50% of Black people know how to farm Exactly. So where is the argument? As far as fishing, I would be willing to bet 51% of Black people have some experience fishing. even if they don’t they can learn in 30 minutes or so. I'm not sure about that. Are you including all Black women and all Black folks born and raised in major cities in this demographic? But you never needed “most” people to know how to farm or fish you just need enough people to support the rest. Ok. You're right. Now....do we have THAT? Do we have enough AfroAmericans who know how to farm and fish to feed our community here in the U.S.? I was surprised that you would reject that statement and supported by saying that most Black people don’t know how to fish. I'd agree that we don't need WHITE folks to teach us, but we need SOMEBODY to teach us...even if it's other AfroAmericans who know how. As we've already agreed upon, most of our people DO NOT know how to properly farm or fish to generate enough food to feed our entire community, let alone enough to actually sell food to other communities to help support them and make money for ourselves. The question isn't whether or not we can learn. Most of us were farmers and knew how to grow our own food, build our own houses, and sew our own clothes when we were living down South over 100 years ago. My GrandFather actually built the house my Mother and her siblings were raised in and my Grandmother sewed their clothes. We're not talking about then, we're talking about NOW.

Because it doesn't make sense to you, does that discount it as a possibility? If you study Near Death Experiences and those who come back with messages, one of their explanations as to why people come into THIS Reality and go through some of the hardships they go through is to gain EXPERIENCE. Kind of like how a person appreciates wealth more if they've experienced poverty, as opposed to one born and raised in the lap of luxury and may be easily bored with it.

1. It is widely known that the ONLY qualification for being a Christian is accepting Jesus Christ as your "lord and savior". So yes...being brought up with Christian parents or in a Christian society and loosely believing in Christianity is sufficient. You don't have to be a fundamentalist. Now whether one is a "good Christian" or not....I'm sure has qualifications based on one's behavior and adherence to the different rules depending on your denomination, but most Christians would agree that simply accepting Christ as your lord and savior is sufficient. 2. Moses, Pharaoh and the others have next to NOTHING to do with Christianity because most Christians only use the Old Testament as a reference pointing to the New Testament. From a scholarly point of view...... These are what could be considered Biblical (some may even argue "fictional") characters, while early founders of Christianity were real historical figures. It should also be noted that Christianity was NOT established by the figure we call Jesus. It was established by Paul. But that's a different argument all together....lol.

Troy How do you think most Christians became Christian? They were BORN into it. As is the case with most religions. Do you think the only people spreading the gospel are white people in Africa? No. There are black Christians going to white countries to proselytize. Yes, but for different reasons than the White Christians. The Black Christians who go to White nations to proselytize are sincere and actually believe in the Bible and in Christianity. Most of the White Christians who go to Africa, Asia, and other nations of color KNOW better and DON'T believe in the Bible nor Christianity but recognize them and use them as TOOL to subjugate the people they come into contact with. As far as the origins of Christianity. Where do you believe is started pioneer? Then tell me which continent that would be? I’ll wait… “And it was in Antioch that the disciples were first called Christians,” Acts 11: 26. Antioch was/is a city in norther Syria.....in what was considered Asia Minor . But the modern form of Christianity most Christians practice today was crafted in Rome under the Vatican.