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I'm going to give you back YOUR OWN advice...... Go to a night club, find a woman sitting down chilling and tell her you want to "cut a rug" with her, and don't interrupt....wait for her response or better yet her reaction. Then tell her it was just a figure of speech and again check her response/reaction. Then if she's still looking at you......lol....tell her it was just a joke "Can't you take a joke, daaang girl!!!". If she's still sitting there......check her response/reaction. ....and PLEASE get back to me with your findings ASAP, lol.

Chev Yes, I that is why we over here have been defined in some books as being Afro-Asiatic. I used to wonder why initially, but later, I came to realize that a lot of history has been hidden about our origins in the Orient. When you say "we" do you mean "we" as Americans in general or "we" as in AfroAmericans specifically? My son's ancestry test shows this break down. It said that he had Ethiopian and Kenyan genetics and India. I was not surprised about ancestry from India as this was always told to me. And, I obtained the documents of my Great grandfather who came from India as well. And I also know about the East African origins too due to family stories. But the history and cultures of both the Hebasha and the people of India is vast and covers over a thousand years. The Nation of Islam teaches that Africans...though always having had dark skin...originally had straight hair and thin noses. They came from Asian and went INTO Africa for a purpose and as they went further into the continent and their lifestyles began to change...so did their facial features and hair texture. They teach that this happened over a course of THOUSANDS of years. Whether people want to believe this or not, clearly those people of North East Africa...the section you'd have to pass through if you came from Asian to migrate to the rest of Africa...have straighter hair and thinner noses than most other Black Africans though their skins are generally the same color. You also see GRADUAL changes in features the further in you go. So the evidence is there.

Man you ain't choppin' up SHIT if you go over to a woman NOW a days talking about "cuttin' a rug"....LMBAO. That's even more old school than Troy's going up to women taking a bow and holding out his hand talking about "may I have this dance?" Them kid'll RUN your ass out the club...lol. I was out the other day and heard an older brutha talk about how he used love to "step out" with lady and go "shake his legs" at the cabaret....lol.

ProfD I'm referring to any problems men over 50 years old have and hide and as a result are even more gun shy when it comes to women. Well, whatever problems they're having...a few of these bruthaz clearly aren't shy about it the way they chase after women. They CHASE...but it appears the women don't allow them to catch, lol. They have to put themselves in a better position to attract those women. Not gonna fall into their lap. Well some of them are at work, a few are in my neighborhood so in both ENVIRONMENTS (Realities?...lol) there are plenty of women around and they talk to them. Again, despite that she may be a nymph, your argument is that she should be available to Black men. Yes, they should. I'm not saying they should be attracted to EVERY Black American man obviously....but most. If she's a true Nympho...race/ethnicity shouldn't really matter much. Yet, there are Black men who are banging the h8ll out foreign women at home and abroad. You are speaking of a FRACTION of the population. There are Black men who are banging the hell out of SOME OTHER BLACK MEN, if you want to go that route...lol. I'm not focusing on marginal cases, but the norm or atleast what SHOULD be the norm. A man who amassea a multi-million fortune isn't down. He's considered successful. Right. I said that in reference to you suggesting that a doctor who marries a brutha who owns a barbershop was "marrying down". Troy This must be a class issue. I don't know anyone in my peer group who is make that has never been married and wants to be. It is. It may come as a surprise to you, but every Black person wasn't ALLOWED to attend those marvelous Jack and Jill get-to-gethers where young Black people are hooked up at an early age..lol. Has it occurred to you that this brother might be lying? Has he described any failed attempts? Well, I think MOST men lie when it comes to their sex lives, so yes...lol. However I think he's RELATIVELY honest about his lack of success. I don't see what benefit he'd get from lying about NOT getting any trim. He doesn't describe any failed attempts outside of the vague, "Man I be tryna talk to these women man and they ain't tryna holla"...lol. I don't see him trying too hard; but again he's 61 so perhaps he tried so much in the past that he's all but given up trying. But if some women walk past us while we're talking or they're sitting on the porch outside, he'll comment on his attraction to them or how he'd like to get with her.

Troy Yep, I heard the same thing. It was a psychological game designed to make you mentally and emotionally strong to face the challenges that will come your way as a Black man in this society. Now that you mentioned it, Snappin' actually WAS the first term I heard for it and that was when I was in the 2nd and 3rd grade. But that was back in the 70s. By the time the 80s came along and I got into Middle School and Highschool..that term had expired in Detroit and we started calling it Cappin'. The only difference is, when you got ruthless with it and relentlessly went after your opponent, it then became "roastin'"...lol. The Old Heads said that The Dozens would lead to fights, but I'll be honest...with all of the snappin' and cappin' we'd do...I never saw it lead to an actual fight. I remember as a LITTLE kids the older boys used to LINE US UP in 2 lines that would face eachother and encourage us to "cap on" eachother, then the next two boys, then the next...lol. By the mid-90s...."cappin'" meant shooting....lol

Yes, but nearly all of Kanye's women are CAUCASIAN. They may vary in ethnicity and "flavor" but they are all pretty much of the same race, which is variation of the Caucasian race. Has anyone seen him with a Somali woman or Japanese woman or Zulu woman or Mestiza woman from Guatemala? And that's another thing I've noticed. Almost without fail, I seem to attract Caucasian women regardless of their ethnicity or cultural background even if the OTHER racial women of that group don't approach me. For example, I can be around a bunch of Mexicans and the smaller brown Mestiza and Indigenous looking Latinas (whom I actually like more) will barely look at me, but the white looking very light skinned woman with the slim frame will stare at me, smile, and even make conversation. Same with Turkish/Arab women. It seems that Caucasian women have a natural attraction towards Black men.

ProfD Reality is whatever happens in the real world. Not a mythical or magical place that only exists in one's head. Well....OUR (the "shared") Reality is. Based on my current beliefs, Mythical and magical places are Realities too, just not part of THIS Reality. But they do exist in other Realities or you wouldn't have thought of them. Everything in between is personal reality based on how one thrives and survives this existence i.e. experiences. I don't dig the "personal reality" thing too tough. Perhaps what you're calling a "personal Reality" is merely a personal perspective or position or experience INSIDE the SAME REALITY as other people. No two people share the exact same experiences throughout a lifetime. Not even people born of multiple births. Correct. But they share the SAME REALITY and have those different experience in that SAME REALITY. frankster All perspective is a Personal Reality.....be they hallucinatory illusionary or delusionary I'll have to disagree. A perspective is a PERSPECTIVE....not a Reality. A perspective is HOW YOU VIEW/INTERPRET that Reality, but it doesn't change that Reality. Now hallucinations and illusions are a different topic. Now you're talking about OTHER Realities blending in and interfering with THIS Reality. Delusions are a DISTORTED PERCEPTION of this Reality. Like a 300 pound Black man looking like Rick Ross putting on a wig and wiggling down the street calling himself a "White woman" That's not his Reality. That's his DISTORTED PERCEPTION of the Reality of who he actually is. Environments are Shared Realities.... Facts From a Personal Reality he is right... When at my Parent's home I am a son and sibling......when I am home with wife and kids I am a husband and father but it is the same Shared Reality.... Different POSITIONS in that same SHARED REALITY. Not a "personal reality". I DO believe Personal Realities exist by the way. But just moving from one spot to the next, or accepting one title or position over another isn't that. In short what they are saying is that your Personal Reality changes every instant....even while our Shared Reality changes Gradually You may be on to something. There are those who believe we are constantly MOVING through multiple Realties; billions or more times per second. Cynique Anxious about where I'll be when I m not anymore. Well you can stop worrying, because you will NEVER "not be".

ProfD Surely, you're going in (pun intended) with the belief that she wants to please you as well. Quid pro quo. Maybe I'm being to technical with it but, it seems as if you're taking it from: TREATING people the way you want to be treated to MAKING PEOPLE FEEL the way you want to be felt. I gave the illustration because obviously you can't treat everyone YOU want to be treated. What YOU may want may be harmful or offensive to them. That was my point. Slippery slope depending on who's determining what someone else deserves. Correct. That can be said about most social situations. Medical professionals take an oath to do no harm. They cannot purposefully prescribe the wrong meds. They can't? Somebody should have told Hitler and his Nazi doctors that when they were running experiments on and poisioning people by the thousands. Chev I have to say that you are right. I'm USUALLY right, lol.

In keeping with the actual THEME of this thread: Degrees of Blackness. How "Black" is Neely Fuller Jr. ???? I think Laydee Gaga mentioned that he didn't look Black or that he was basically a White man with a little bit of Black in him...lol. I "could" agree with those assessments and I wouldn't argue them; but I would say, he doesn't look like an actual White man to me. He looks mixed and definitely leaning toward the White side. However I and many other AfroAmericans have grown up seeing people in our family lineage who looked like him but were "accepted" as being Black. He looks a little like and sounds even more like my Grandfather. Deep voice with a strong Southern AfroAmerican dialect. Although I wouldn't call him Black, I would definitely call him an AfroAmerican....part of our ethnic group.

Colorism is still strong in our community but it wasn't like it was back in the 80s and 90s. Back in school kids would sit around in class straight up ROASTING eachother with the jokes and insults and they all had the same 4 themes: 1. You so ugly 2. You so Black 3. Yo mama does this or that 4. Yo clothes/shoes are this or that They called it the "dozens" back in the day but by the time I went to school, that term was no longer being used. We called it Cappin' or Roastin'...lol. When I was a kid I didn't get the "you so Black" jokes but I did get the "you so ugly" jokes. I had a White teacher who would just sit around and listen to us. She didn't try to stop it, she just observed what was going on....which I now realize she was actually STUDYING us and our behavior. She once asked us, "Why do you guys talk about eachother's mothers like that?" I don't think we gave her an answer. We just continued with our insults. "Nicca yo mama like a door knob....everybody get a turn"

That's what I do a lot of the times when I go out. I'm not the one to be loud and get drunk and act up. I didn't do that when I was younger. Mack 10 said, "Gangstaz don't dance...we boogie"...lol. I'll get on the dance floor and freak a woman down if she invites me to, but generally speaking on the OCCASION that I go to a club....I'll sit at a table and sip on a drink while kicking it with whoever I came in with WHILE scanning the scene trying to make eye-contact with a few honeyz...lol.

ProfD They sure did wait a long time before deciding to settle down. Coinciding with getting older and the *problems* that come with it. Sheeeeyit, what "problems" is YOU talking about???? Lol. Actually, my sexual performance has gotten BETTER in my mid-50s than it was in my 20s because it takes me a longer time to nut. But these dudes I'm referring to are a bit of a mix between some who want to "settle down" and others who are looking for women to just have sexual fun with. I don't blame either for wanting to do "their thing". Also, these men I'm refering to are complaining about not being able to attract ANY of the women they want. I know of a brutha right now who is 61 years old, says he's straight, and looks pretty decent but there is no history of him having a woman although he claims he wants one. Although I don't have problems finding women if they are AfroAmerican (or White American if I want one), I do consider it a problem that I see so many African, Caribbean, and East Indian woman in my environment that I haven't been able to pull....so I understand how many of them feel. That doesn't read like a prime candidate for a 6 figure woman. Depends on what she's looking for. Ever heard of a "nymphomaniac"??? A certain percentage of women ONLY want sex from a man. That's another issue I have with a lot of these non-FBA women. Every group has a certain amount of nymphos who don't care about a man's money, race, religion or, status...as long as he can get an erection. Yet even THEY don't approach Black American men. There's no shortage of average men. Fewer successful men especially among Black folks. It depends on what one considered "successful". Success simply means accomplishing your goals. But I agree, as I've said numerous times and have been saying for atleast 20 years....there are PLENTY of good normal Black men out there. This myth about their being a "shortage" of Black men is straight up bullshit. An excuse for sistaz who are either lesbian or pink-peter-eaters. They didn't want to just come right out and say they didn't find Black men attractive anymore, so they had to make EXCUSES for why they weren't with one. Today on the internet...they are being more open and honest about how they feel. When parents groom their children to become successful they don't encourage them to marry "down". a) How many Black American parents are actually "grooming" their children today? Is the Boule as strong as it used to be? b) How is a doctor who marries a business owner marrying "down"? So if a brutha owns a chain of Soul Food restaurants and is a multi-millionaire, because he may not have a college degree...he's "beneath" her too? Then, those same n8gglets will ride around in her luxury car flexing and trying to pick up broke azz women. Perhaps. Men tend to cheat, even when they're with good partners who are attractive and treat them well. What you said reminds me of some scenes from the movie Baby Boy...lol. Marriages dissolve every day. New relationships are formed. True. However they usually DISSOLVE for the wrong reasons just like they usually are FORMED for the wrong reasons.

Those Freak Off parties.... Another negative set of imagery they're going to promote to scare women of other races and ethnicities away from Black men. Just shooting arrows left and right. But sometimes these images have a way of backfiring. A lot of White women seek out Black men LOOKING FOR those same hyper-sexual stereotypes they been told about us all of their lives. Perhaps one of the biggest mistakes Black men have made was "down playing" our sexuality and our sexual power.

She was always sexy to me, but her mouth kind of poked out giving her not the most attractive face. But that body was always lovely...lol. This is one of the reasons why I don't understand how so many Trump supporting Black men could fall for that racist "Michelle used to be Michael" shit. Except for maybe a little extra muscle tone in the arms...there was and is nothing masculine about the way Michelle looks.

Chev I work with some people from Ethiopia and they lovingly refer to their land as Habesha. Interesting how you talk about the association between the Habesha people of Ethiopia/Eritrea and those of India. I also find it interesting that of all of the Africans, it appears that the ones from that region tend to look the most similar to 1. Black Americans 2. East Indians I believe that many of the Habesha migrated over to India during the expansion of the Islamic Empire. But after the Roman empire times, the idols were made to be other different colors just like Saint Nicholas. During the Etruscan times, St. Nicholas was made to be Chola, Cholchian, or Cole black. But after Rome became an empire, the image changed to being made in different colors It's funny timing that you said this. I was listening to Tariq Nasheed the other day and he mentioned how St.Nicholas was originally a Black man but they changed him to White. Ofcourse St. Nicholas is where we get the legends of "St.Nick" and Santa Claus from. And just like the origins of the Cholchians We discussed their origins before but I don't think we came to an agreement on it. I said that these Colchians who resided mostly in the Black Sea and Caucasus Mountains region were the remnants of the Black soldiers who were sent up from Africa/Middle East to keep the wild White tribes contained. The so-called "Watchers" of ancient scriptures. Who were they sent down to "watch"? They were dispatched to watch the wild White folks who were banished into the mountains and keep them contained.

frankster I believe there are multiple Realities and I obviously believe we exist in shared Realities as well, since we're sharing THIS one and dialoging. But my point is, some people talk of different Realities when they really mean different perspectives or different environments. Like the brutha at work who thinks changing environments is actually changing Realities. Everything isn't a "reality", even if it IS personal. It's like two people living in the same house arguing about: "In MY house we take out the trash every Wednesday" "Well I don't know about YOUR house but in MY house, we take out the trash whenever it's full!" Two people living in the SAME house, but they're talking like it's two different houses. But Troy may just dismiss that as "metaphorically speaking" or just a poetic way of getting your point across...lol.

Chev Yes, I can see that! But, I wonder too, if this is king of like a way to protect yourself, I mean, like settling for little things and adopting 'habits' because of settling for little pleasures just to avoid oppression. Ofcourse. It's human nature to try to make a difficult situation as easy and tolerable as you can. If they don't know how to END their oppression, then they try to make it less painful. That's understandable. I think they 'we' want freedom but some of us have given up on the reality of it ever happening, so we settle. Oh sis....you'd be surprised at how many of our people DON'T want freedom. They love it just the way it is. As long as they continue to legalize weed and spray more of that sparkling shit on it and have free give aways so that they can get as high and go as crazy as they want. And don't let a McDonalds or White Castle open up across the street from the weed shop. ....it's over Some of these niggaz don't want freedom. The just want a nicer, gentler, more loving master who will put more butter on their biscuits. ProfD There's no confusion when treating others as one (you) want to be treated. But you CAN'T always treat people the way YOU want to be treated. When I'm intimate with a woman I want her to open up and let me slide inside. I don't want the same done to ME!!!! I say, you treat people how they SHOULD be treated. Nobody deserves to be mistreated. I didn't say MIS-treated. I said that some people need DIFFERENT treatment than others. If you're giving them what they DESERVE....then it's not mistreating them. Just like different medical conditions require different treatments..... If you go to a medical professional with asthma, you wouldn't want him or her to treat you the same as he just finished treating someone who had genital herpes! Talking about: "Ooooh no! We treat everybody the same when they walk through THESE doors. Now DROP 'em" Everybody should be treated ACCORDINGLY based primarily on their needs and deeds.

ProfD Which generation allowed drugs into Black communities? All of them since the 60s. What could they do to stop it? Many baby Boomers thought Civil Rights leaders were stirring up trouble. Of course, they didn't mind benefitting from it. True. My Father used to tell me how Black men would sit up in barber shops down South talking about Martin Luther King and how them White folks would never allow integration or let you marry their women. Them same niggaz would be the FIRST one to start inviting White women to the movies and sitting in the front row (instead of the balcony) after King and the Freedom Riders got things moving

Troy All those women are fine and it’s hard to imagine they can’t find a man especially the first one. Because they CAN find a man. It's about trying to find the KIND of man they actually WANT. ....a Zaddy There are PLENTY of men out there for them to choose from, but who they really WANT may be a little scarce for them. ...and that's part of the propaganda. Because who they really WANT...is a Zaddy (wealthy powerful White man). All of those sisters would be in their late 40s by now something tells me they are probably all on their second marriages If married at all. Most AfroAmericans don't get married. ...as the Africans I work with constantly remind me, lol. how many 45 year-old men do you see walking around never married claiming they can’t find Sista WHAT???? Man, come on....a LOT. I can name 4 right off the top at my job ALONE...not counting the ones I know outside of work. I know bruthaz in their 50s and 60s who are LOOKING for sistaz to settle down with and claiming they can't find one or keep one. I think the problem is that their standards are unrealistically high. I agree. And going back to the theme of that video, I think many of them subconsciously want a Zaddy...a wealthy White man...to swoop down and "save" them. ProfD There's already not a 1:1 ratio of Black women to Black men. Really? I'd go as far as to say it's probably about EVEN when I sit down in a public place and just LOOK at it. Not sure about New York/Florida or D.C., but in Michigan...even in Detroit...I see JUST AS MANY Black men as I do Black women. Maybe this wasn't the case in the 80s and 90s...it certain is today based on MY perspective. This mess about there not being enough Black men go to around....go to any mall in a major city and you'll see HUNDREDS of bruthas strolling around on cell phones and carrying Footlocker bags...lol. The reality is choices in Black men get slimmer as Black women become more successful. Is this statement true as it stands, or is their a caveat to it? Meaning... Are the choices in Black men slimmer? Or do the choices in SO-CALLED SUCCESSFUL BLACK MEN WHO MEET THEIR DEFINITION OF SUCCESS get slimmer and slimmer? Why won't a sista who's a doctor date a brutha who owns a barber shop who's probably making just as much if not MORE money than she is without the education? As Steve mentioned, successful Black women should consider dating older established Black men I concur However, being older doesn't necessarily mean "established". Especially in OUR community. Traditionally, being older meant being wiser and more financially stable because you had decades of career and experience to build your wealth. However in THIS racist system that puts so many obstacles in your path...a brutha is doing good to simply be ALIVE at 70s, let alone wealthy and independent. Let's keep things in perspective....lol In their 40s now, a couple of them may have settled for the Black man who works in the service industry or a blue collar job. Which...speaking as a blue collar brutha...isn't a bad choice. It really depends on what she's looking for. If she just wants a man who's good in bed who can satisfy her sexually, she should admit that. If she's making her own money, she could find a good brutha who IS good in bed but mentally stable, not abusive, and can even hold down a job. Plenty of bruthaz like that around. The problem is, she listens to her girlfriends and "society" telling her that first of all she should get "married" as a professional and secondly she shouldn't marry "down" but be EQUALLY YOKED. If people were actually true to themselves and what they wanted, over 90% of the problems in our community would be solved overnight. Most of the marriages would dissolve and relationships would be RE-FORMED to more accurately reflect how people actually felt about eachother.

Troy the distinction is not all that complicated. Obviously to SOME people it is, lol. They just can't seem correctly apply the terms. It is not meant to mea literally different realities. It’s called a metaphor. Not when you ask them over and over again and they repeat and even reiterate the same erroneous concepts. They really DO mean to say "Reality"; they just don't know what an actual "Reality" is. umbrararchist Each and every human being has a "paradigm of reality" in their heads. I have concluded that for each person part of that paradigm is emotional and part of it is rational. So two or more people trying to communicate are testing how well their paradigms of reality synchronize. Perhaps this is true. However I still think that even this failure to communicate with eachother is usually taking place in the SAME REALITY. I personally believe that people tend to exist in MULTIPLE Realities simulteneously. So just because someone is physically present in this reality, their mind may be in another but they will bounce in and out of this one while communicating with you. frankster The way I see it is that there is : All Realities are primarily Subjective Shared Reality and Personal Reality Shared Reality is Socially and Culturally Informed(inculcated) and Agreed to....Subjective Objective Personal Reality is informed by Perspective and Perception......Subjective. Is it possible to break that down to it's main frame???

Chev Who were his parents? What is his background as far as where he was born, grew up and went to school? He was born in 1929 and grew up in a small town in Oklahoma. From what he said, his father (Neely Fuller Sr.) owned a hotel and restaurant in that town. He went to school and graduated from high school from what I understand. There is much much more to his life but that answers the questions you asked. That man has done a little bit of almost everything in his life...including sitting on a panel with Malcolm X. That bio that Troy provided reads like a pretty accurate depiction based on what he's told his audience at various times. But it still leaves out many many more details. The thing is..... Neely Fuller Jr speaks a lot of truth....practical truth that you can see in real life and he also gives practical advice that you can use and it actually WORKS in real life. In other words...he's effective and he teaches YOU how to be effective. I've used a lot of his advice in my real life and it WORKS for real. Because of this, ofcourse Google and other search engines that are primarily controlled by Caucasians will blacklist and (I forgot the term used for it -when you suppress content or push it to the back and bottom so that when you search for it you have to scroll through pages and pages of links and sites just to find it??) his material and his very name. Most people know more about his STUDENT....Dr. Frances Cress Welsing....than HIM, and he taught her about the science and sociology of Racism! Check out this Youtube channel of his latest interviews and start listening to random videos and I guarantee you it will change the way you look at the world: https://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfRWS Keep in mind that the man speaking (Mr. Fuller) is between 92 and 95 years of age!!!... depending on the date of those videos you're listening to.

Take a lucky guess at what I'd be "wagging" if I thought I had a good chance....lol.

Sounds like MY kind of party! I'd been all over those older women twerking and acting up....lol. I bet those dudes who were NOT paying attention to them...as soon as they saw ME getting some action....then all of a sudden they would have put the pool sticks down and joined the celebration. All kinds of bottles of bud and glasses of cognac would have been bought....lol. You know they weren't going to sit up there and let ONE brutha have all of that action....lol.

The FBI has a full plate with their agents trying to piece together the entire P Diddy situation. You might have to leave a message. Besides..... Are you sure the NSA hasn't already picked up on whatever it is????

ProfD Saving lives, increased population and folks and living longer doesn't equate to more money. Especially not when technology is taking over and doing the work. The population of the United States is bigger than anytime before. And it's also at it's wealthiest. The same can be said for most Western and Industrialized nations. With proper government....... More people = More wealth China, India and Africa have over 1 billion podple. It doesn't make them more productive and wealthy. You may have to look at the QUALITY of the people rather than the QUANTITY, to figure out why, lol. How do mass evacuation structures generate money when there's no disaster? The same way the military generates money even when there is no war, through selling fear and routine preparation drills. Where did white racists go to work once jobs were out-sourced overseas? Many of them didn't... Many of them committed suicide. Others became homeless and got on drugs and alcohol. Others moved out of the city and formed trailer parks. Yet others got more education and lived professional lives in the suburbs. It was a sacrifice they were willing to make and are STILL making. Look at how many are fighting tooth and nail against Universal Healthcare, to their own detriment. White men don't have to compete with Black men for jobs and opportunities. They can relocate to places where there's little or no Black people. If there is any spot in the NATION with an abundance of Black men with good jobs....they are considered competition because the women (especially White women) will be tempted to move or visit there, and can do so quite easily. If Charlotte North Carolina was popping for Black men; best believe there will be White men in Portland or San Diego mad as hell about it and writing columns about it in the paper or trying to figure out how to stamp out the progress. This is the reason why they moved most of the good paying factory jobs out of the nation all together. Then after de-industrializing Detroit and Chicago; they proceeded to "gay up" places like Atlanta and D.C. so that you'd have plenty of PROFESSIONAL Black men but they'd be gay as hell and wouldn't be a threat.